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Poorly, because it doesn't.

johnisgood 5y ago
Uh, yes it does. Do not take my word for it, here is CDC saying it: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-consideration...
willcipriano 5y ago
https://www.standard.net/news/health-news/2021/dec/09/study-myocarditis-cases-after-vaccine-mostly-mild-in-younger-patients/ https://www.standard.net/news/health-news/2021/dec/09/study-... That was the public health/pharma messaging from a few weeks ago. The link is getting too obvious to ignore so that's shifted to "Well it happens but it isn't a big deal" recently.
- Pyramus 5y ago
  What do you even mean? National vaccination regulations reflect the myocarditis/pericarditis risk since half a year already. E.g. Germany doesn't vaccinate under 30s with Moderna etc.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    How did OP become so confident in the assertion that it does not cause heart issues? The US media has been claiming the myocarditis risk was some sort of antivax conspiracy theory, that is when they covered it at all.
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    - Pyramus 5y ago
      Not sure which "media" you got this from, myocarditis cases were first reported in young athletes with Covid, then army personnel that was vaccinated, if I remember correctly. The absolute risk is very small though, a lot smaller than e.g. driving a car.
      - willcipriano 5y ago
        Here is a example from NBC[0]. The headline is: "No, the COVID-19 vaccine does not cause myocarditis", the content does not line up with the assertion the headline makes and sort of weasel words it's way to "well it does but less then Covid", but most people just read the headline. I think media like this is what confused people to think: "the COVID-19 vaccine does not cause myocarditis". I've heard similar assertions on shows like The View and Good Morning America, but I don't have clips. [0] https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-myocarditis/281-219910e0-cb50-48d3-a623-a6be9a433679 https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesi... (backup: https://web.archive.org/web/20211123104116/https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-myocarditis/281-219910e0-cb50-48d3-a623-a6be9a433679 https://web.archive.org/web/20211123104116/https://www.king5...)
- Karunamon 5y ago
  I'm confused what your point is. The link between myocarditis and COVID vaccines is well-known and has been for a long time. And, per scientific literature, it's a rare side-effect with little long-term implications. This is neither recent nor a shift in messaging, and implying such is dishonest.
  - hanselot 5y ago
    I love when the twitter fact check bots come to chip in here. Election fraud is exceedingly rare and saying otherwise is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
- xorfish 5y ago
  You are still much better of with the vaccine than with covid. While mRNA vaccines increase the risk by a factor of 3.2, covid increases the risk by a factor of 18.3. But there are many other averse things that may happen during an infection with sars-cov-2 https://smw.ch/article/doi/SMW.2021.w30087 https://smw.ch/article/doi/SMW.2021.w30087
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petesergeant 5y ago
I'm very pro-vaccine, but you're wrong on this one: > The vaccine was associated with an excess risk of myocarditis (1 to 5 events per 100,000 persons) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475 (updated to link directly to the paper)
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- persedes 5y ago
  I agree, it's dangerous to shrug off the link that the vaccine doesn't have any risk associated with it,but then there's also from the same article you linked earlier: > That compares with another study from Israel which found that in adults over 18, getting Covid-19 increases risk of myocarditis by 18 times – a far bigger increase in risk than from the vaccine.
  - petesergeant 5y ago
    100%. We should all get vaccinated. Doesn't change the fact that the vaccine can cause it though!
    - swayvil 5y ago
      "We should all..." is what the crazy zealots start their sentences with, historically speaking. So look out.
  - rajin444 5y ago
    That’s why ignoring natural immunity is so jaw dropping and destroys all trust in medical leadership (in the US). You already rolled the dice once and your health leaders are asking you to do it again for…what reason? If history is any indication my guess is massively increased Pfizer profits.
  - spurgu 5y ago
    Adults over 18 perhaps. But children? And with two vaccine doses, per year? Do the harmful effects accumulate, anyone have any idea?
Karunamon 5y ago
Yes it does. Not very much, 2.13 cases per 100K in one study[1] on the Pfizer version, but it is absolutely a clinically confirmed side effect. [1]: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
- swayvil 5y ago
  >Not very much... That's only if you don't take "Long Vax" into account, of course.

Uh, yes it does. Do not take my word for it, here is CDC saying it: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/myocarditis.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-consideration...

willcipriano 5y ago

https://www.standard.net/news/health-news/2021/dec/09/study-myocarditis-cases-after-vaccine-mostly-mild-in-younger-patients/ https://www.standard.net/news/health-news/2021/dec/09/study-... That was the public health/pharma messaging from a few weeks ago. The link is getting too obvious to ignore so that's shifted to "Well it happens but it isn't a big deal" recently.

Pyramus 5y ago
What do you even mean? National vaccination regulations reflect the myocarditis/pericarditis risk since half a year already. E.g. Germany doesn't vaccinate under 30s with Moderna etc.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  How did OP become so confident in the assertion that it does not cause heart issues? The US media has been claiming the myocarditis risk was some sort of antivax conspiracy theory, that is when they covered it at all.
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  - Pyramus 5y ago
    Not sure which "media" you got this from, myocarditis cases were first reported in young athletes with Covid, then army personnel that was vaccinated, if I remember correctly. The absolute risk is very small though, a lot smaller than e.g. driving a car.
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      Here is a example from NBC[0]. The headline is: "No, the COVID-19 vaccine does not cause myocarditis", the content does not line up with the assertion the headline makes and sort of weasel words it's way to "well it does but less then Covid", but most people just read the headline. I think media like this is what confused people to think: "the COVID-19 vaccine does not cause myocarditis". I've heard similar assertions on shows like The View and Good Morning America, but I don't have clips. [0] https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-myocarditis/281-219910e0-cb50-48d3-a623-a6be9a433679 https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesi... (backup: https://web.archive.org/web/20211123104116/https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-myocarditis/281-219910e0-cb50-48d3-a623-a6be9a433679 https://web.archive.org/web/20211123104116/https://www.king5...)
Karunamon 5y ago
I'm confused what your point is. The link between myocarditis and COVID vaccines is well-known and has been for a long time. And, per scientific literature, it's a rare side-effect with little long-term implications. This is neither recent nor a shift in messaging, and implying such is dishonest.
- hanselot 5y ago
  I love when the twitter fact check bots come to chip in here. Election fraud is exceedingly rare and saying otherwise is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
xorfish 5y ago
You are still much better of with the vaccine than with covid. While mRNA vaccines increase the risk by a factor of 3.2, covid increases the risk by a factor of 18.3. But there are many other averse things that may happen during an infection with sars-cov-2 https://smw.ch/article/doi/SMW.2021.w30087 https://smw.ch/article/doi/SMW.2021.w30087

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petesergeant 5y ago

I'm very pro-vaccine, but you're wrong on this one: > The vaccine was associated with an excess risk of myocarditis (1 to 5 events per 100,000 persons) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475 (updated to link directly to the paper)

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persedes 5y ago
I agree, it's dangerous to shrug off the link that the vaccine doesn't have any risk associated with it,but then there's also from the same article you linked earlier: > That compares with another study from Israel which found that in adults over 18, getting Covid-19 increases risk of myocarditis by 18 times – a far bigger increase in risk than from the vaccine.
- petesergeant 5y ago
  100%. We should all get vaccinated. Doesn't change the fact that the vaccine can cause it though!
  - swayvil 5y ago
    "We should all..." is what the crazy zealots start their sentences with, historically speaking. So look out.
- rajin444 5y ago
  That’s why ignoring natural immunity is so jaw dropping and destroys all trust in medical leadership (in the US). You already rolled the dice once and your health leaders are asking you to do it again for…what reason? If history is any indication my guess is massively increased Pfizer profits.
- spurgu 5y ago
  Adults over 18 perhaps. But children? And with two vaccine doses, per year? Do the harmful effects accumulate, anyone have any idea?

Karunamon 5y ago

Yes it does. Not very much, 2.13 cases per 100K in one study[1] on the Pfizer version, but it is absolutely a clinically confirmed side effect. [1]: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

swayvil 5y ago
>Not very much... That's only if you don't take "Long Vax" into account, of course.