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There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West ca

There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West can protect people from those countries. World is not unipolar.

beebmam 5y ago
Is this a joke? The entirety of those countries citizens are subject to their own government's tyrannical rule
- ahartmetz 5y ago
  Bend before others. In other words, they aren't follower members of a block. That says nothing about citizens or what exactly these countries are doing.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Edward Snowden is currently hiding from US power projection in Russia. He is of course beholden to Russian law; I assume if he were gay he'd be having a much worse time of it. But the specific point here is that it is possible to hide from the US in the territory of a country that does not answer to the US.
nannal 5y ago
Let's ask Litvinenko his opinion?
- nosianu 5y ago
  No, because it is clear? He was fleeing from Russian government. And they poisoned him. That has nothing to do with the subject of people feeling from the US influence. This kind of argument that you attempted is a bit tiring, don't you think? If you flee from Russian government, go to the West. And vice versa. One does not invalidate the other.
- Dah00n 5y ago
  His opinion on fleeing from the US? What are you on about?
stevespang 5y ago
Surely, look no further than Edward Snowden.
krisrm 5y ago
Protect? Or use them as tokens in international tit-for-tat diplomacy?
- ls15 5y ago
  Both?
seanw444 5y ago
Can't imagine why anyone would want to run to China to hide from the U.S. of all places, in this scenario. "I'm going to flee from one dystopian state, to another even more dystopian/technocratic/autocratic state!"
- iechoz6H 5y ago
  I'm not sure technocratic means what you think it means: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocratic https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocr... i.e it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it.
  - licebmi__at__ 5y ago
    That's one interpretation. Other one is that a technocracy regime is done IRL to push highly biased and ideological policies on the guise of being the only/best choice by the experts.
  - ByteJockey 5y ago
    > it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it. Deferring to the technical experts is great when you want to know how to do something. Deferring to them when you're deciding what to do is not necessarily as good.
- toiletfuneral 5y ago
  True, but at least they have housing & healthcare
- hekette 5y ago
  It depends on which state is going to imprison you. Being in prison in the U.S. is worse than living out of prison in Chian or Russia.

beebmam 5y ago

Is this a joke? The entirety of those countries citizens are subject to their own government's tyrannical rule

ahartmetz 5y ago
Bend before others. In other words, they aren't follower members of a block. That says nothing about citizens or what exactly these countries are doing.
shadowgovt 5y ago
Edward Snowden is currently hiding from US power projection in Russia. He is of course beholden to Russian law; I assume if he were gay he'd be having a much worse time of it. But the specific point here is that it is possible to hide from the US in the territory of a country that does not answer to the US.

nannal 5y ago

Let's ask Litvinenko his opinion?

nosianu 5y ago
No, because it is clear? He was fleeing from Russian government. And they poisoned him. That has nothing to do with the subject of people feeling from the US influence. This kind of argument that you attempted is a bit tiring, don't you think? If you flee from Russian government, go to the West. And vice versa. One does not invalidate the other.
Dah00n 5y ago
His opinion on fleeing from the US? What are you on about?

stevespang 5y ago

Surely, look no further than Edward Snowden.

krisrm 5y ago

Protect? Or use them as tokens in international tit-for-tat diplomacy?

ls15 5y ago
Both?

seanw444 5y ago

Can't imagine why anyone would want to run to China to hide from the U.S. of all places, in this scenario. "I'm going to flee from one dystopian state, to another even more dystopian/technocratic/autocratic state!"

iechoz6H 5y ago
I'm not sure technocratic means what you think it means: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocratic https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/technocr... i.e it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it.
- licebmi__at__ 5y ago
  That's one interpretation. Other one is that a technocracy regime is done IRL to push highly biased and ideological policies on the guise of being the only/best choice by the experts.
- ByteJockey 5y ago
  > it's a net positive to have a technocratic state, deferring decision making to those with the technical skills to do it. Deferring to the technical experts is great when you want to know how to do something. Deferring to them when you're deciding what to do is not necessarily as good.
toiletfuneral 5y ago
True, but at least they have housing & healthcare
hekette 5y ago
It depends on which state is going to imprison you. Being in prison in the U.S. is worse than living out of prison in Chian or Russia.