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If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough. Likewise, if you t

If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough. Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion.

yesbut 5y ago
These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment-assange-is-blueprint-making-journalists-into-felons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...
- bladegash 5y ago
  I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classified-diplomat-cables-us-state-department/story?id=12260376 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...
  - tchalla 5y ago
    Very interesting. The actual war crimes are brushed aside but the person who revealed those war crimes are punished. I wonder how this would have played out if China or Russia did it.
  - yesbut 5y ago
    He leaked war crimes.
    - bladegash 5y ago
      He leaked war crimes AND he leaked the information I mentioned.
      - yesbut 5y ago
        He shouldn't be in prison and we should have a public holiday in his honor for informing the American public about the war crimes our government commits in our name and with our tax dollars.
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    So what? A private citizen has no obligation to secrecy.
    - gampleman 5y ago
      Let alone a citizen of a different country...
    - deelowe 5y ago
      I'm guessing that's about to be tested in court. The overarching question is at what point does a private citizen/activist become culpable. Developing technologies and social networks (old school kind, not facebook) which are explicitly designed to enable the stealing/leaking of state secrets would seem to be skirting pretty close to the line of "I'm just a private citizen/journalist." This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way.
      - jessaustin 5y ago
        This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way. We don't need to consider that possibility. It has been over a decade since this information was released. If anyone about whom USA government cares had ever suffered any harm (even if they actually deserved it) as a result, the USA war media would have crowed about it until we had all memorized all details. Not even a rumor exists of anything like that, so we know it didn't happen.
  - TomSwirly 5y ago
    Which revealed war crimes.
pydry 5y ago
>If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough. If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  > If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit. What something is ostensibly about -- like for instance, what's spelled out in a lawsuit -- is not necessarily what it's actually about.
btczeus 5y ago
I am sorry but you are confused here. The irresponsible leak of all the unredacted cables was not done by Wikileaks but by a Guardian journalist. https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html
pessimizer 5y ago
> Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion. It would be very difficult, because you believe that journalists enabling the distribution of secret government documents means they're not journalists, they're activists. That equally condemns the Pentagon Papers and Wikileaks. You agree with their opinion, which is why you can't say much to change it. edit: Daniel Ellsberg: “Whatever Julian Assange is guilty of, I’m guilty of.” https://www.exberliner.com/features/julian-assange-trial-2020/daniel-ellsberg-wikileaks/ https://www.exberliner.com/features/julian-assange-trial-202...
- yesbut 5y ago
  Many corporations publish "leaked" documents because they want to make a profit and they realize that it appears to a certain demographic. They aren't doing any activism. They are just trying to make a buck.

yesbut 5y ago

These espionage charges aren't about "Hillary's emails". https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment-assange-is-blueprint-making-journalists-into-felons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/28/indictment...

bladegash 5y ago
I am not talking about Hillary's emails. He leaked diplomatic cables. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classified-diplomat-cables-us-state-department/story?id=12260376 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wikileaks-releases-classifie...
- tchalla 5y ago
  Very interesting. The actual war crimes are brushed aside but the person who revealed those war crimes are punished. I wonder how this would have played out if China or Russia did it.
- yesbut 5y ago
  He leaked war crimes.
  - bladegash 5y ago
    He leaked war crimes AND he leaked the information I mentioned.
    - yesbut 5y ago
      He shouldn't be in prison and we should have a public holiday in his honor for informing the American public about the war crimes our government commits in our name and with our tax dollars.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  So what? A private citizen has no obligation to secrecy.
  - gampleman 5y ago
    Let alone a citizen of a different country...
  - deelowe 5y ago
    I'm guessing that's about to be tested in court. The overarching question is at what point does a private citizen/activist become culpable. Developing technologies and social networks (old school kind, not facebook) which are explicitly designed to enable the stealing/leaking of state secrets would seem to be skirting pretty close to the line of "I'm just a private citizen/journalist." This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way.
    - jessaustin 5y ago
      This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way. We don't need to consider that possibility. It has been over a decade since this information was released. If anyone about whom USA government cares had ever suffered any harm (even if they actually deserved it) as a result, the USA war media would have crowed about it until we had all memorized all details. Not even a rumor exists of anything like that, so we know it didn't happen.
- TomSwirly 5y ago
  Which revealed war crimes.

pydry 5y ago

>If you think that is the information that he is being punished for is that video, you clearly did not look at what he leaked closely enough. If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit.

CRConrad 5y ago
> If you think it wasn't about that you clearly didn't follow the lawsuit. What something is ostensibly about -- like for instance, what's spelled out in a lawsuit -- is not necessarily what it's actually about.

btczeus 5y ago

I am sorry but you are confused here. The irresponsible leak of all the unredacted cables was not done by Wikileaks but by a Guardian journalist. https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html https://wikileaks.org/Guardian-journalist-negligently.html

pessimizer 5y ago

> Likewise, if you think leaking the pentagon papers is the same as leaking all diplomatic cables and operational communications from a period of time is the same thing, not sure I can say much to change your opinion. It would be very difficult, because you believe that journalists enabling the distribution of secret government documents means they're not journalists, they're activists. That equally condemns the Pentagon Papers and Wikileaks. You agree with their opinion, which is why you can't say much to change it. edit: Daniel Ellsberg: “Whatever Julian Assange is guilty of, I’m guilty of.” https://www.exberliner.com/features/julian-assange-trial-2020/daniel-ellsberg-wikileaks/ https://www.exberliner.com/features/julian-assange-trial-202...

yesbut 5y ago
Many corporations publish "leaked" documents because they want to make a profit and they realize that it appears to a certain demographic. They aren't doing any activism. They are just trying to make a buck.