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"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United State

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

afandian 5y ago
Heard an intesting analysis of this on BBC news. The court was more or less bound to accept the 'assurances', as they were an underlying predicate for the whole extradition framework. To challenge that would be to unpick a lot more politics. I'm not sure the judges were naive enough to believe the US government, but they probably had no choice.
mattzito 5y ago
Except the article is from the bbc?
- caslon 5y ago
  They're talking about how Assange broke no laws yet is getting tortured by the US and has been for years now for publishing media.
oauea 5y ago
Guaranteed he's dead within a year.
- petra 5y ago
  He'll be in solitary confinement. Maybe worse than death.
- meepmorp 5y ago
  Unless he kills himself, not a chance. He's done his damage, unlike Epstein who had whole houses of closets with skeletons in them; nobody wants him dead. Prison is worse.
not1ofU 5y ago
Epstein is either still alive and retired to some other island, OR, Maxwell is actually the Puppet Master and he was a fall guy. - I think the 2nd is the most likely option, given her family history, and that she hasn't been epstiened. And she is likely to get off, under the excuse of being controlled and in an abusive relationship.
- chevill 5y ago
  There's a 0% chance that Epstein is alive and a 0% chance she walks on those charges. Miscarriages of justice do happen but for the most part life is not a poorly written TV drama.
  - mcv 5y ago
    Have you watched the past 5 seasons of real life? It was incredibly poorly written.
  - Taurenking 5y ago
    keep watching
- Ensorceled 5y ago
  This second option ... may actually be true.
DonaldFisk 5y ago
> Like Epstein? Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides. In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.
- iso1631 5y ago
  What a crazy world where Theresa May is deemed to be a good home sec. I wonder how much pressure the Lib Dems put on her.
  - ben_w 5y ago
    Seeing how much she changed from Home Secretary to Prime Minister, I think the problem is with the office rather than the person.
    - antihero 5y ago
      If you are Home Secretary your job is basically to be a humungeous authoritarian piece of shit, because if something happens due to the country's security being breached in whatever manner, your head is on the chopping block.
- hk1337 5y ago
  If we’re talking about murder veiled in suicide then this has a good point but what about an individual’s right to end their own life, to choose how their life should end?
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hulitu 5y ago
> Like Epstein? Yes. And like Milosevic. And like Saddam. It's funny how some people choose to commit suicide just before trial.
- tokai 5y ago
  What? Saddam was executed.
kingcharles 5y ago
Having just recently got out of jail, I can tell you it is infinitely easy to kill yourself. You would not believe the ingenuity of some of those attempts and successes. If the institution gets a hint that you are suicidal you will be placed in some sort of anti-suicide cell, which generally means that you are in solitary, you wear a paper or foam suit with no other clothing, you have no bed linen or any paper materials in your cell, and all your food comes on foam trays without any cutlery and has to be eaten with your fingers.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Still discussing like Epstein committed suicide? The evidence pretty much all point to something other than suicide...
- Hitton 5y ago
  Such measures would make you want to commit suicide even if you weren't suicidal before.
  - kingcharles 5y ago
    Yes, indeed. I also failed to mention the light in the cell will be set to bright and will be on 24x7 and your cell will almost certainly have a completely glass door and you will be under camera and guard surveillance 24x7 to make sure you don't do anything stupid. If you are very lucky, some of these cells have a small wall in front of the toilet so you can at least get a tiny amount of privacy - they'll only be able to see you from the waist up.
hnfong 5y ago
What do you mean in the US? This is global jurisdiction and enforcement, that's what the extradition is about.

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

afandian 5y ago

Heard an intesting analysis of this on BBC news. The court was more or less bound to accept the 'assurances', as they were an underlying predicate for the whole extradition framework. To challenge that would be to unpick a lot more politics. I'm not sure the judges were naive enough to believe the US government, but they probably had no choice.

mattzito 5y ago

Except the article is from the bbc?

caslon 5y ago
They're talking about how Assange broke no laws yet is getting tortured by the US and has been for years now for publishing media.

oauea 5y ago

Guaranteed he's dead within a year.

petra 5y ago
He'll be in solitary confinement. Maybe worse than death.
meepmorp 5y ago
Unless he kills himself, not a chance. He's done his damage, unlike Epstein who had whole houses of closets with skeletons in them; nobody wants him dead. Prison is worse.

not1ofU 5y ago

Epstein is either still alive and retired to some other island, OR, Maxwell is actually the Puppet Master and he was a fall guy. - I think the 2nd is the most likely option, given her family history, and that she hasn't been epstiened. And she is likely to get off, under the excuse of being controlled and in an abusive relationship.

chevill 5y ago
There's a 0% chance that Epstein is alive and a 0% chance she walks on those charges. Miscarriages of justice do happen but for the most part life is not a poorly written TV drama.
- mcv 5y ago
  Have you watched the past 5 seasons of real life? It was incredibly poorly written.
- Taurenking 5y ago
  keep watching
Ensorceled 5y ago
This second option ... may actually be true.

DonaldFisk 5y ago

> Like Epstein? Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides. In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.

iso1631 5y ago
What a crazy world where Theresa May is deemed to be a good home sec. I wonder how much pressure the Lib Dems put on her.
- ben_w 5y ago
  Seeing how much she changed from Home Secretary to Prime Minister, I think the problem is with the office rather than the person.
  - antihero 5y ago
    If you are Home Secretary your job is basically to be a humungeous authoritarian piece of shit, because if something happens due to the country's security being breached in whatever manner, your head is on the chopping block.
hk1337 5y ago
If we’re talking about murder veiled in suicide then this has a good point but what about an individual’s right to end their own life, to choose how their life should end?
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hulitu 5y ago

> Like Epstein? Yes. And like Milosevic. And like Saddam. It's funny how some people choose to commit suicide just before trial.

tokai 5y ago
What? Saddam was executed.

kingcharles 5y ago

Having just recently got out of jail, I can tell you it is infinitely easy to kill yourself. You would not believe the ingenuity of some of those attempts and successes. If the institution gets a hint that you are suicidal you will be placed in some sort of anti-suicide cell, which generally means that you are in solitary, you wear a paper or foam suit with no other clothing, you have no bed linen or any paper materials in your cell, and all your food comes on foam trays without any cutlery and has to be eaten with your fingers.

justicezyx 5y ago
Still discussing like Epstein committed suicide? The evidence pretty much all point to something other than suicide...
Hitton 5y ago
Such measures would make you want to commit suicide even if you weren't suicidal before.
- kingcharles 5y ago
  Yes, indeed. I also failed to mention the light in the cell will be set to bright and will be on 24x7 and your cell will almost certainly have a completely glass door and you will be under camera and guard surveillance 24x7 to make sure you don't do anything stupid. If you are very lucky, some of these cells have a small wall in front of the toilet so you can at least get a tiny amount of privacy - they'll only be able to see you from the waist up.

hnfong 5y ago

What do you mean in the US? This is global jurisdiction and enforcement, that's what the extradition is about.