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Oh cool, how many people in your community do you know who are comfortable using PGP in their email?

by dools 5y ago

vmception 5y ago
Thats kinda the point, PGP had 25 years to get any use and failed, this form of crypto reached accelerated saturation very quickly You thought you had a rebuttal and walked right into why its working Those users can learn not to get taken advantage of
- seoaeu 5y ago
  > Those users can learn not to get taken advantage of Spoken like a true scammer. It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even vaguely aware of phone scams that this will never be enough.
  - vmception 5y ago
    Debit cards, credit cards and ATMs came with new best practices to be aware of. And no, not all gaffs result in reimbursals from the bank. Here, we are acknowledging thats there are humans that commit malicious actions and they shouldn’t do that, and also acknowledge that there are programs that exist in perpetuity to do this which means there is no malicious human to educate, and requires (not just advises) the potential and actual victims to have agency themselves and their victim status is prevented by actually following the best practices that all predate the malicious actors to begin with.
    - dools 5y ago
      But where do all those best practises and recourses and advice and learning come from? It's trust and laws and government and society. Crypto enthusiasts claim that these can be solved independently of any governing framework, but my point is that you can only solve it for a given blockchain, and anyone can create a blockchain, so what's the process by which any blockchain becomes the de-facto standard? And if your answer is "Everyone just settles on that one" then what you have just described is government.
      - vmception 5y ago
        Unlike many crypto enthusiasts, I’ve never been allergic to the word governance or governing framework and have aimed to inspire on the forms it can take, even within national representative democracies. Blockchains, distributed ledgers, allow for us to reevaluate what governance is and entails. It is expected that some processes of existing governments because redundant, and that there is some kind of governance occurring to coordinate behavior. So here we are actually agreeing, except on where the best practices come from, which would be cypherpunk mailing lists, old bitcoin wikis, and protocol specification drafts and ratifications.
- dools 5y ago
  Accelerated saturation!?! What's happened is that a bunch of people who have zero understanding about what crypto is or how it works have been able to buy an asset because a bunch of people using pre-existing technological and legal frameworks created platforms for them to do so. The "accelerated saturation" you are referring to relies on the very types of trust and authority that the article claims to obviate the need for.
  - vmception 5y ago
    my only point is that PGP had the same opportunity and failed for nearly three decades, in comparison in both there are opportunities for people with zero understanding to use a platform created by someone else. crypto asset sector has been more successful.

Oh cool, how many people in your community do you know who are comfortable using PGP in their email?

by dools 5y ago

Oh cool, how many people in your community do you know who are comfortable using PGP in their email?

Thats kinda the point, PGP had 25 years to get any use and failed, this form of crypto reached accelerated saturation very quickly You thought you had a rebuttal and walked right into why its working Those users can learn not to get taken advantage of

seoaeu 5y ago
> Those users can learn not to get taken advantage of Spoken like a true scammer. It is pretty obvious to anyone who is even vaguely aware of phone scams that this will never be enough.
- vmception 5y ago
  Debit cards, credit cards and ATMs came with new best practices to be aware of. And no, not all gaffs result in reimbursals from the bank. Here, we are acknowledging thats there are humans that commit malicious actions and they shouldn’t do that, and also acknowledge that there are programs that exist in perpetuity to do this which means there is no malicious human to educate, and requires (not just advises) the potential and actual victims to have agency themselves and their victim status is prevented by actually following the best practices that all predate the malicious actors to begin with.
  - dools 5y ago
    But where do all those best practises and recourses and advice and learning come from? It's trust and laws and government and society. Crypto enthusiasts claim that these can be solved independently of any governing framework, but my point is that you can only solve it for a given blockchain, and anyone can create a blockchain, so what's the process by which any blockchain becomes the de-facto standard? And if your answer is "Everyone just settles on that one" then what you have just described is government.
    - vmception 5y ago
      Unlike many crypto enthusiasts, I’ve never been allergic to the word governance or governing framework and have aimed to inspire on the forms it can take, even within national representative democracies. Blockchains, distributed ledgers, allow for us to reevaluate what governance is and entails. It is expected that some processes of existing governments because redundant, and that there is some kind of governance occurring to coordinate behavior. So here we are actually agreeing, except on where the best practices come from, which would be cypherpunk mailing lists, old bitcoin wikis, and protocol specification drafts and ratifications.
dools 5y ago
Accelerated saturation!?! What's happened is that a bunch of people who have zero understanding about what crypto is or how it works have been able to buy an asset because a bunch of people using pre-existing technological and legal frameworks created platforms for them to do so. The "accelerated saturation" you are referring to relies on the very types of trust and authority that the article claims to obviate the need for.
- vmception 5y ago
  my only point is that PGP had the same opportunity and failed for nearly three decades, in comparison in both there are opportunities for people with zero understanding to use a platform created by someone else. crypto asset sector has been more successful.