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Mozilla never seemed to get out of that "the user is an idiot, best ignored" mindset even as their market share falls lower than a vendor-specific mobile browse

Mozilla never seemed to get out of that "the user is an idiot, best ignored" mindset even as their market share falls lower than a vendor-specific mobile browser. It's mind-boggling how just about everyone except the people calling the shots in that org can point out the problem.

jconnop 5y ago
I've used Firefox as a daily driver for over 15 years, and while I do think it treats me more like an idiot than it used to, and don't like that, I still feel far more in control, trusted, and able to configure it than I do with chrome.
zuminator 5y ago
How do you mean? I use both browsers and, while I certainly wasn't happy with the changes that accompanied their move to WebExtensions back around version 57, I don't find FF these days to be any worse overall than Chrome. Not trying to be argumentative, just not clear on your meaning.
- bunnythefifth 5y ago
  I rely on Firefox for everything a browser does, and praise its many unique features and conveniences; I don't want to imagine using a garbage flavor of Chromium. But the folks at Mozilla keep hitting my morale. Examples- 1. History of installing and running arbitrary code on clients in the name of "Experiments" without user permission. 2. Full telemetry on by default. 3. Shoving their products like Pocket (added to the address bar by default, shows up as an advertisement on the page that opens after Firefox updates itself), Mozilla VPN (non-removable advertisement on every Private Window you open) in the name of revenue, while their clueless leadership enjoys fat paychecks for whatever value they bring to the organization. 4. Forcing undesirable changes down people's throat (removed the "Compact" density address bar after a redesign, hiding it under about:config). Feel free to pile on.
  - Karunamon 5y ago
    4.5. Constant UI redesigns and changes for no benefit. 5. Ignoring any and all negative feedback. 6. Taking more and more control away from users. 7. Being funded by their competitor and never really looking for an alternative. 8. Firing a good chunk of their engineers when needed most.
  - BuckRogers 5y ago
    They also removed live bookmarks, a feature I loved since 2002. There is a browser extension now, but I just moved to Inoreader (and Edge). Final straw was the dedicated search bar not working with keyword shortcuts for other search engines. While the settings page claims those are supposed to work in the address bar and the search bar, they only work in the address ("omni") bar. Too many features removed. I'd rather just go to my native browser and all the inherent advantages to it at that point, which as mentioned is MS Edge. I love it. In fact, their unnecessary additions (MS Shopping) actually opened my eyes to things I didn't know existed, like the Honey extension. I have no complaints about Microsoft Edge on Windows 11 or iOS. After 19 years of Firefox.

jconnop 5y ago

I've used Firefox as a daily driver for over 15 years, and while I do think it treats me more like an idiot than it used to, and don't like that, I still feel far more in control, trusted, and able to configure it than I do with chrome.

zuminator 5y ago

How do you mean? I use both browsers and, while I certainly wasn't happy with the changes that accompanied their move to WebExtensions back around version 57, I don't find FF these days to be any worse overall than Chrome. Not trying to be argumentative, just not clear on your meaning.

bunnythefifth 5y ago
I rely on Firefox for everything a browser does, and praise its many unique features and conveniences; I don't want to imagine using a garbage flavor of Chromium. But the folks at Mozilla keep hitting my morale. Examples- 1. History of installing and running arbitrary code on clients in the name of "Experiments" without user permission. 2. Full telemetry on by default. 3. Shoving their products like Pocket (added to the address bar by default, shows up as an advertisement on the page that opens after Firefox updates itself), Mozilla VPN (non-removable advertisement on every Private Window you open) in the name of revenue, while their clueless leadership enjoys fat paychecks for whatever value they bring to the organization. 4. Forcing undesirable changes down people's throat (removed the "Compact" density address bar after a redesign, hiding it under about:config). Feel free to pile on.
- Karunamon 5y ago
  4.5. Constant UI redesigns and changes for no benefit. 5. Ignoring any and all negative feedback. 6. Taking more and more control away from users. 7. Being funded by their competitor and never really looking for an alternative. 8. Firing a good chunk of their engineers when needed most.
- BuckRogers 5y ago
  They also removed live bookmarks, a feature I loved since 2002. There is a browser extension now, but I just moved to Inoreader (and Edge). Final straw was the dedicated search bar not working with keyword shortcuts for other search engines. While the settings page claims those are supposed to work in the address bar and the search bar, they only work in the address ("omni") bar. Too many features removed. I'd rather just go to my native browser and all the inherent advantages to it at that point, which as mentioned is MS Edge. I love it. In fact, their unnecessary additions (MS Shopping) actually opened my eyes to things I didn't know existed, like the Honey extension. I have no complaints about Microsoft Edge on Windows 11 or iOS. After 19 years of Firefox.