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Bus systems can work well to move commuters to rail-based mass-transit that bring them into the city. If the suburbs sprawl too far out, you can also plop down

Bus systems can work well to move commuters to rail-based mass-transit that bring them into the city. If the suburbs sprawl too far out, you can also plop down park-and-rides at the terminal stations of the mass transit system. Why do you specifically need to drive and park at the exact location you're going to, especially when the land cost of the storage place of your empty car is prohibitively expensive (as they tend to be in urban CBDs)?

josephcsible 5y ago
In places that have good mass transit for their suburbs, sure. But what about all of the places that don't? Because sometimes I have to go to work in weather conditions like hailstorms, thunderstorms, or freezing rain.
- danny_codes 5y ago
  I recommend watching through the "Not Just Bikes" back catalog. He has a bunch of videos that address common complaints that people who've only known car-dependent lifestyles bring up. Here's a good example of how to design functional bicycle infrastructure for a seemingly hostile climate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
  - zionic 5y ago
    That is an absolutely terrible YouTube channel. I’m not going to ride a bike 20 miles in 45 degree rain. No amount of “city planning” changes that.
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  Build mass transit. It's one of the best ways to increase economic activity.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    I'm fine with this, but I don't like the plan of making it harder to drive first, and then maybe later adding an alternative.
sokoloff 5y ago
I have no need to park my car at any particular place. I do have a need to have the commuting experience be safe, reasonably convenient/predictable, and time-efficient. I live in Cambridge on the Boston subway system. It’s probably (barely) in the top 5 in the US and it sucks compared to European cities I’ve visited or lived in.
zionic 5y ago
Buses are absolute trash. I had to rely on ones when I was poor and I’ll never do it again. The smells, the fights, being threatened and asked for cash, waiting in the rain, the cold, they’re filthy, etc. I’m never going back to that life again, and excuse my French but anyone who tells me buses are the answer I rightly tell to fuck off. What they really want is everyone else to ride the bus while they have a car.

josephcsible 5y ago

In places that have good mass transit for their suburbs, sure. But what about all of the places that don't? Because sometimes I have to go to work in weather conditions like hailstorms, thunderstorms, or freezing rain.

danny_codes 5y ago
I recommend watching through the "Not Just Bikes" back catalog. He has a bunch of videos that address common complaints that people who've only known car-dependent lifestyles bring up. Here's a good example of how to design functional bicycle infrastructure for a seemingly hostile climate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
- zionic 5y ago
  That is an absolutely terrible YouTube channel. I’m not going to ride a bike 20 miles in 45 degree rain. No amount of “city planning” changes that.
adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
Build mass transit. It's one of the best ways to increase economic activity.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  I'm fine with this, but I don't like the plan of making it harder to drive first, and then maybe later adding an alternative.

sokoloff 5y ago

I have no need to park my car at any particular place. I do have a need to have the commuting experience be safe, reasonably convenient/predictable, and time-efficient. I live in Cambridge on the Boston subway system. It’s probably (barely) in the top 5 in the US and it sucks compared to European cities I’ve visited or lived in.

zionic 5y ago

Buses are absolute trash. I had to rely on ones when I was poor and I’ll never do it again. The smells, the fights, being threatened and asked for cash, waiting in the rain, the cold, they’re filthy, etc. I’m never going back to that life again, and excuse my French but anyone who tells me buses are the answer I rightly tell to fuck off. What they really want is everyone else to ride the bus while they have a car.