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Look at the LA times report on the the Torrence police department. A substantial number of officers were texting klan like message and bragging about racially p

by mint2 5y ago

Look at the LA times report on the the Torrence police department. A substantial number of officers were texting klan like message and bragging about racially profiling and lying about it. Note the articles refer back to earlier texting scandals in places like SF where recently cops were caught on camera just sitting around watching people rob a dispensary. It’s obvious some cops do not serve and protect, and there are too few good cops holding their own accountable. We need cops but the current state of the force is untenable and unprofessional

dragonwriter 5y ago
> It’s obvious some cops do not serve and protect All cops “serve and protect”. The problem with isn’t that those verbs don’t apply, it is the objects of the verbs. Who do they serve and what do they protect.
mostertoaster 5y ago
> It’s obvious some cops do not serve and protect, Completely agree > and there are too few good cops holding their own accountable Maybe true in SF and other progressive cities, but I’m doubtful this is the norm across all police departments. The problem is people are treating all cops the same. In Oakland there might be a good precinct, and a bad one, if you treat the good like the bad, all you will be left with is the bad. Still if it is bad enough might make sense to just turn it all over.
- uoaei 5y ago
  > Maybe true in SF and other progressive cities, but I’m doubtful this is the norm across all police departments. Hypothesizing too few good cops in progressive cities, and implying (happily assuming) there are plenty of good cops in conservative areas to keep checks and balances? Color me unconvinced. > The problem is people are treating all cops the same. The phrase "a bad apple spoils the barrel" absolutely applies in fraternistic, spartan settings of indoctrination such as "the brotherhood". Yes cops literally call it that; the dominant culture has most people in the course of their duties acting tough by cosplaying military with looser rules of engagement, and other impressionable folks fall into a similar pattern to be accepted by a community that they hold in respect (their brothers, not the citizenry). If you are relatively free-thinking, you are filtered out at the application level. If you somehow slip through, you have no power to make real change. We know this from countless examples of those who left the force after seeing obscene behavior. Chris Dorner's case is the most prominent recent example I can think of right now.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> Look at the LA times report on the the Torrence police department. A substantial number of officers were texting klan like message and bragging about racially profiling and lying about it. LA also has a serious problem with cop gangs[1] that have murdered people. [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-gangs-rand-report-1225982/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-ange...

by mint2 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> It’s obvious some cops do not serve and protect All cops “serve and protect”. The problem with isn’t that those verbs don’t apply, it is the objects of the verbs. Who do they serve and what do they protect.

mostertoaster 5y ago

> It’s obvious some cops do not serve and protect, Completely agree > and there are too few good cops holding their own accountable Maybe true in SF and other progressive cities, but I’m doubtful this is the norm across all police departments. The problem is people are treating all cops the same. In Oakland there might be a good precinct, and a bad one, if you treat the good like the bad, all you will be left with is the bad. Still if it is bad enough might make sense to just turn it all over.

uoaei 5y ago
> Maybe true in SF and other progressive cities, but I’m doubtful this is the norm across all police departments. Hypothesizing too few good cops in progressive cities, and implying (happily assuming) there are plenty of good cops in conservative areas to keep checks and balances? Color me unconvinced. > The problem is people are treating all cops the same. The phrase "a bad apple spoils the barrel" absolutely applies in fraternistic, spartan settings of indoctrination such as "the brotherhood". Yes cops literally call it that; the dominant culture has most people in the course of their duties acting tough by cosplaying military with looser rules of engagement, and other impressionable folks fall into a similar pattern to be accepted by a community that they hold in respect (their brothers, not the citizenry). If you are relatively free-thinking, you are filtered out at the application level. If you somehow slip through, you have no power to make real change. We know this from countless examples of those who left the force after seeing obscene behavior. Chris Dorner's case is the most prominent recent example I can think of right now.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Look at the LA times report on the the Torrence police department. A substantial number of officers were texting klan like message and bragging about racially profiling and lying about it. LA also has a serious problem with cop gangs[1] that have murdered people. [1] https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-gangs-rand-report-1225982/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-ange...