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> They claim that, by taking money from police and putting it toward social programs, they can eliminate the need for heavy-handed policing in the first place.
by adt2bt 5y ago
> They claim that, by taking money from police and putting it toward social programs, they can eliminate the need for heavy-handed policing in the first place. But the social programs are an afterthought.
This feels like a strawman. I don't think it's surprising that there's a rise in crime when police are defunded, especially when those social programs aren't enacted. I think most reasonable progressives who support defunding the police also recognize the whole point is to shift investment away from punishment (police) into aid (social programs) to deter crime. It takes years for that to happen, and really needs to happen on a societal level to provide opportunities that otherwise 'career criminals' do not have which leads them down that path.
- JamesBarney 5y agoAre there any good comparisons on how much a dollar of policing vs a dollar of social programs deter crime?
- schwartzworld 5y agoIs there any evidence that current police funding levels help to deter crime in any significant way whatsoever?
- settrans 5y agoIs there any evidence that, on net, state welfare programs deter crime in any significant way?
- Nostromos 5y agoIt's been studied extensively and the research overwhelmingly shows that more generous welfare policies are associated with lower levels of crime. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047235220300623 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472... https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1999-13463-002 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1999-13463-002 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3509381 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3509381 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/655778 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/655778
- JamesBarney 5y agoI don't know if I'd call 3 regressions and a political piece extensive and overwhelming support.
- Schiendelman 5y agoYou haven’t produced anything contrary. Dividing by zero here. ;)
- JamesBarney 5y agoHere's an article quoted on NPR. https://www.nber.org/papers/w28202?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20210419&utm_term=5326149&utm_campaign=money&utm_id=49355949&orgid=&utm_att1=money https://www.nber.org/papers/w28202?utm_source=npr_newsletter...