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> Defund advocates often claim that police don’t actually prevent crimes, that they only bust the perpetrators after the fact. But that’s untrue. Police presenc

> Defund advocates often claim that police don’t actually prevent crimes, that they only bust the perpetrators after the fact. But that’s untrue. Police presence deters crime[citation provided]. Arresting career criminals takes them out of circulation. And, most important, effective policing bolsters a community’s faith in government-administered justice. Regardless of whether defunding is good/bad for crime, this is the core justification for existing funding in this article and it is quite thin. Edit: I am unclear on why this is getting downvoted. Almost nothing in that paragraph is adequately substantiated anywhere in the article. I am not married to any particular perspective on this topic, but remain unconvinced of the author's conclusion.

JamesBarney 5y ago
Why is it thin? There are several studies showing how policing reduces crime through a couple of measures. Intuitively it would make sense that locking up criminals would reduce crime (making them unable to commit more crime), that increasing the chance of a criminal getting locked up would reduce crime (via incentives), and just seeing more police officers around would reduce crime. I would be really surprised if for the past 1000 years, civilization was tricked into believing in a criminal justice system was necessary when in reality it wasn't. Are there any studies where they dramatically reduced police presence and crime wasn't affected?
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  People have been religious for thousands of years, it's easy for humans to believe things without evidence when it makes them feel better
  - JamesBarney 5y ago
    And you think we need a criminal justice system is one of those things?
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      In its current form, yes absolutely. We do not need a "justice" system focused purely on retribution and punishment, there isn't really evidence that retribution and punishment are effective The Nordic countries have a better system of rehabilitation
JamesBarney 5y ago
I didn't downvote but I would imagine it's because the author cited a study, you said the evidence was thin, but you didn't elaborate on how it was thin. http://morganwilliamsjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chalfin_et_al_2021_WP.pdf http://morganwilliamsjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chalf...

JamesBarney 5y ago

Why is it thin? There are several studies showing how policing reduces crime through a couple of measures. Intuitively it would make sense that locking up criminals would reduce crime (making them unable to commit more crime), that increasing the chance of a criminal getting locked up would reduce crime (via incentives), and just seeing more police officers around would reduce crime. I would be really surprised if for the past 1000 years, civilization was tricked into believing in a criminal justice system was necessary when in reality it wasn't. Are there any studies where they dramatically reduced police presence and crime wasn't affected?

netizen-936824 5y ago
People have been religious for thousands of years, it's easy for humans to believe things without evidence when it makes them feel better
- JamesBarney 5y ago
  And you think we need a criminal justice system is one of those things?
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    In its current form, yes absolutely. We do not need a "justice" system focused purely on retribution and punishment, there isn't really evidence that retribution and punishment are effective The Nordic countries have a better system of rehabilitation

JamesBarney 5y ago

I didn't downvote but I would imagine it's because the author cited a study, you said the evidence was thin, but you didn't elaborate on how it was thin. http://morganwilliamsjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chalfin_et_al_2021_WP.pdf http://morganwilliamsjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Chalf...