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> keep in mind that side effects tend to be under-reported. If you're looking at VAERS then this statement is objectively wrong. VAERS records every medical e

• colechristensen 5y ago
  I had a little inflammation in one of my eyes immediately after my second dose. It went away, I didn’t report it to anyone. It might have been an immune reaction, I might have just gotten something in my eye, everything was better in a few days. It didn’t seem worth the trouble or expense to try to do anything about it. That is the kind of underreporting. A second kind of underreporting is having only very mild symptoms which would only be caught with a timely test.
  • alexvoda 5y ago
    We should strive to make reporting so easy and painless it is routine. I believe this together with finding ways to increase trust is the only way to decrease the first type of under-reporting.
• buffington 5y ago
  > VAERS records every medical event that happens This statement is also objectively wrong. VAERS has no data for unreported medical events.
  • XorNot 5y ago
    Rub all 3 brain cells together to come up with that insight did you?
• walterbell 5y ago
  There's a requirement to report, but no legal penalty for failure to report. There's a legal penalty for incorrect/false reporting, i.e. reporting = risk. In the current contested environment, there can be institutional pressure against reporting.
• spfzero 5y ago
  You're right in that when someone creates a VAERS report, every type of post-vaccination medical event is to be included. But you're wrong if you are assuming every event gets reported by the patient, to a doctor who then always creates a VAERS report. Some people don't associate symptoms with the previous vaccination, don't go to the hospital because symptoms recede, etc. Sometimes health care workers are overworked and can't be bothered, or assume someone else reported, etc.
  • nerdponx 5y ago
    Case in point: having a fatigue, fever, chills, sore arm, etc. is so common after any of the "big 3" vaccines that people come to expect it and take sick days from work in anticipation. How many of those cases ever get reported to anyone? I definitely didn't report mine.
    • alexvoda 5y ago
      You should report it, even if it was mild. Databases like VAERS and EudraVigilence do indeed suffer from both under-reporting (due to patient apathy, and other reasons) and over-reporting (by design, even events with unrelated caused are included). Therefore analysis of such data takes a lot of care, skill, knowledge and effort. There are ways we could actually increase the trust of the public in such databases. By allowing selfreporting but separating reports into validated by a physician and not validated, by default only displaying validated. And grouping reports based on patient so that a selfreported incident and a report made by a physician are not counted twice when referring to the same incident. By allowing patients to verify that a report made on their behalf by an intermediary (physician, national agency for EU) was included into the publicly accessible anonymised dataset. By improving the UI/UX of the publicly available dataset (for EU, the Oracle made interface, while serviceable, is suboptimal). By improving granularity for the age variable. (when investigating the under/over 30 difference in heart issues risk for mRNA vaccines, I found the granularity of EudraVigilence unsatisfactory) By tracking/allowing public access to extra variables. (I found no way to investigate the theory that heart issues caused mRNA were linked to improper administration. A way to filter/categorise based on facility, date and time of vaccine dose would have been helpful) There are options we can pursue, but these being state institutions, improvements take a lot of time. We are not a pull request away from doing better.