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What is the best source to get a breakdown on covid-19 vaccine side effects? I've tried googling for this a few times recently and find an overwhelming amount

by cwkoss 5y ago

What is the best source to get a breakdown on covid-19 vaccine side effects? I've tried googling for this a few times recently and find an overwhelming amount of discussion from the anti-vax or anti-anti-vax perspectives, but hard to find a solid accounting based on hard facts.

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer...
- nickff 5y ago
  I tried to find the information on that website, and could not; is it there? If it is there, how do I find it?
  - benbayard 5y ago
    It’s a list of tables with a breakdown of each side effect. What are you looking for that isn’t there?
    - nickff 5y ago
      Was hard to find the J&J page (parent commenter linked to Pfizer), and I can't find anything about Guillain-Barré Syndrome. In my view, the CDC site seems to be designed to promote confidence and authority, and hide any reason for doubt. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/janssen/reactogenicity.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/jansse...
      - nl 5y ago
        This preprint paper was published 7 days ago. The CDC doesn't move that fast on non-urgent updates with only a single paper published. As per the paper though, the FDA does have a warning about this potential side effect.
infamouscow 5y ago
Because of a confluence of institutional capture and heavy-handed censorship by big tech companies, I don't think you'll find much except on fringe "anti-vax" websites, and at that point you'll have to wade through everything yourself. In a perfect world we'd have productive discussions where nuanced topics like this can be explored in depth, but morale narcissism is rampant and everyone believes they know best.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  "Why do you do your own research? You don't trust The Science?" [0] [1] [0] https://youtu.be/Y0sg9G5BBVU https://youtu.be/Y0sg9G5BBVU [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-...
- alexvoda 5y ago
  At no point are the anti-vax websites a valid source of information. Every time I stumbled upon such a website they were blatantly lying even when linking to sources stating the opposite of their narrative. All such websites I have encountered relied on readers not checking the sources, and censoring comments. The comments section has always show full support of the narrative of the articles. Either commenters are fully polarized and no outsiders engage with insiders, or there is censoring involved. There is public centralized data you can analyse for US, EU and others. Data that has clear limitations, and takes skill and knowledge to interpret and actually extract information out of. There are reports that are provided by various national agencies. But these can also be misinterpreted and take careful reading. Unfortunately, I do not know of a centralised aggregated summary for someone seaking a one stop resource.
superfad 5y ago
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/exclusive-80-of-the-most-common-adverse-events-reported-after-covid-19-vaccination/ https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/exclusive-80-of-the-most...
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  This seems to just be random data from VAERS. So the "deaths" column includes things like people who got hit by a bus 6 months after being vaccinated. I think OP is looking for a comparison of side effects caused by the vaccine (for example, comparing death rates b/w vaccinated and the general population, without falling into the common traps you see on websites like this one that is hawking "miracle cures for cancer")
  - superfad 5y ago
    VAERS is a voluntary reporting system, it does not include any deaths by bus. Nor does Sharyl Attkisson hawk miracle cures so you seem to be talking complete nonsense.
    - Rebelgecko 5y ago
      >Nor does Sharyl Attkisson hawk miracle cures When I go to her website I haven't been able to re-find the "doctors don't want you know about this cancer cure" link, but I have seen "A Teaspoon On An Empty Stomach Burns 4 Lbs Of Fat A Week Safely". Sounds like BS to me, but I'm not an expert >VAERS is a voluntary reporting system, it does not include any deaths by bus You're right that it's a voluntary system where anyone can report a negative outcome. If you look at VAERS, it includes a ton of reports like "I saw on Facebook that someone died". For example, look at VAERS report 1429304-1 it says "This spontaneous report received from a consumer via social media concerned multiple patients of unspecified ages with unknown ethnicity and race. The patient's weight, height, and medical history were not reported.". Literally, shitposting on the Johnson & Johnson facebook page leads to a VAERS report. There's quite a few from Pfizer's facebook page as well. I couldn't find any deaths by bus, but I did find a death from a car crash (1180840-1). There's also a VAERS report (1082804-1) for someone who stepped in front of a semi truck on the highway. VAERS also includes multiple people who died after being vaccinated while they were already in hospice. I think if someone was already in hospice for their terminal condition, it's unlikely that the vaccine is the cause of death (e.g. VAERS IDs 0921880-1, a 96 man who was vaccinated while in hospice and died the following day)
nerdponx 5y ago
You can look up data on adverse side effects in the US HHS VAERS database: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html but keep in mind that side effects tend to be under-reported. There might be other issues with the VAERS data that I'm not aware of. When I last checked the data, the risks of Covid-19, particularly the risk of severe infection and/or "long hauler" symptoms, seemed to outweigh the risks of vaccination by ~10:1. But that was several months ago, and I am wondering if/how things have changed when it comes to booster shots and omicron variant.
- XorNot 5y ago
  > keep in mind that side effects tend to be under-reported. If you're looking at VAERS then this statement is objectively wrong. VAERS records every medical event that happens within 6 weeks of any vaccination and does not establish causation.
  - colechristensen 5y ago
    I had a little inflammation in one of my eyes immediately after my second dose. It went away, I didn’t report it to anyone. It might have been an immune reaction, I might have just gotten something in my eye, everything was better in a few days. It didn’t seem worth the trouble or expense to try to do anything about it. That is the kind of underreporting. A second kind of underreporting is having only very mild symptoms which would only be caught with a timely test.
    - alexvoda 5y ago
      We should strive to make reporting so easy and painless it is routine. I believe this together with finding ways to increase trust is the only way to decrease the first type of under-reporting.
  - buffington 5y ago
    > VAERS records every medical event that happens This statement is also objectively wrong. VAERS has no data for unreported medical events.
CamperBob2 5y ago
Of course, you've already done a search on the disease's side effects, right? I mean, just for comparison with whatever you learn about the vaccine's side effects?
- cwkoss 5y ago
  Yep, mostly curious for deciding which vaccine I want to boost with.
walterbell 5y ago
For global data, search for "covid-19 vaccine" at http://vigiaccess.org/ http://vigiaccess.org/. Be sure to read the long disclaimer on the page. > VigiAccess was launched by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 2015 to provide public access to information in VigiBase, the WHO global database of reported potential side effects of medicinal products. Side effects – known technically as adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and adverse events following immunization (AEFIs) – are reported by national pharmacovigilance centres or national drug regulatory authorities that are members of the WHO Programme for International Drug Monitoring (PIDM). WHO PIDM was created in 1968 to ensure the safer and more effective use of medicinal products. The US VAERS database has about 50/50 US and foreign reports. It is simultaneously criticized as unverified (i.e. GIGO) and missing data due to disincentives against reporting. If you have a vaccine lot number, replace the last six characters in this sample query URL, for a summary of adverse events. The raw data can be download and imported into a SQL database for deeper analysis: https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&GROUP2=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=COVID-19&VAXLOT=EM0477 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=... US Vaccine Safety Datalink (the source for the paper in this article) has data from some HMOs. The raw data is not available to the public. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21502240/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21502240/ > The Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) project is a collaborative project between the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 8 managed care organizations (MCOs) in the United States. Established in 1990 to conduct postmarketing evaluations of vaccine safety, the project has created an infrastructure that allows for high-quality research and surveillance. The 8 participating MCOs comprise a large population of 8.8 million members annually (3% of the US population), which enables researchers to conduct studies that assess adverse events after immunization.
s1artibartfast 5y ago
You won't find it in the USA or from the CDC because the USA doesn't have comprehensive centralized medical databases. Look for data from the UK or Israel

by cwkoss 5y ago

NikolaeVarius 5y ago

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer...

nickff 5y ago
I tried to find the information on that website, and could not; is it there? If it is there, how do I find it?
- benbayard 5y ago
  It’s a list of tables with a breakdown of each side effect. What are you looking for that isn’t there?
  - nickff 5y ago
    Was hard to find the J&J page (parent commenter linked to Pfizer), and I can't find anything about Guillain-Barré Syndrome. In my view, the CDC site seems to be designed to promote confidence and authority, and hide any reason for doubt. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/janssen/reactogenicity.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/jansse...
    - nl 5y ago
      This preprint paper was published 7 days ago. The CDC doesn't move that fast on non-urgent updates with only a single paper published. As per the paper though, the FDA does have a warning about this potential side effect.

infamouscow 5y ago

Because of a confluence of institutional capture and heavy-handed censorship by big tech companies, I don't think you'll find much except on fringe "anti-vax" websites, and at that point you'll have to wade through everything yourself. In a perfect world we'd have productive discussions where nuanced topics like this can be explored in depth, but morale narcissism is rampant and everyone believes they know best.

908B64B197 5y ago
"Why do you do your own research? You don't trust The Science?" [0] [1] [0] https://youtu.be/Y0sg9G5BBVU https://youtu.be/Y0sg9G5BBVU [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-must-not-do-your-own-research-when-it-comes-to-science/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/07/30/you-...
alexvoda 5y ago
At no point are the anti-vax websites a valid source of information. Every time I stumbled upon such a website they were blatantly lying even when linking to sources stating the opposite of their narrative. All such websites I have encountered relied on readers not checking the sources, and censoring comments. The comments section has always show full support of the narrative of the articles. Either commenters are fully polarized and no outsiders engage with insiders, or there is censoring involved. There is public centralized data you can analyse for US, EU and others. Data that has clear limitations, and takes skill and knowledge to interpret and actually extract information out of. There are reports that are provided by various national agencies. But these can also be misinterpreted and take careful reading. Unfortunately, I do not know of a centralised aggregated summary for someone seaking a one stop resource.

superfad 5y ago

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/exclusive-80-of-the-most-common-adverse-events-reported-after-covid-19-vaccination/ https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/10/exclusive-80-of-the-most...

Rebelgecko 5y ago
This seems to just be random data from VAERS. So the "deaths" column includes things like people who got hit by a bus 6 months after being vaccinated. I think OP is looking for a comparison of side effects caused by the vaccine (for example, comparing death rates b/w vaccinated and the general population, without falling into the common traps you see on websites like this one that is hawking "miracle cures for cancer")
- superfad 5y ago
  VAERS is a voluntary reporting system, it does not include any deaths by bus. Nor does Sharyl Attkisson hawk miracle cures so you seem to be talking complete nonsense.
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    >Nor does Sharyl Attkisson hawk miracle cures When I go to her website I haven't been able to re-find the "doctors don't want you know about this cancer cure" link, but I have seen "A Teaspoon On An Empty Stomach Burns 4 Lbs Of Fat A Week Safely". Sounds like BS to me, but I'm not an expert >VAERS is a voluntary reporting system, it does not include any deaths by bus You're right that it's a voluntary system where anyone can report a negative outcome. If you look at VAERS, it includes a ton of reports like "I saw on Facebook that someone died". For example, look at VAERS report 1429304-1 it says "This spontaneous report received from a consumer via social media concerned multiple patients of unspecified ages with unknown ethnicity and race. The patient's weight, height, and medical history were not reported.". Literally, shitposting on the Johnson & Johnson facebook page leads to a VAERS report. There's quite a few from Pfizer's facebook page as well. I couldn't find any deaths by bus, but I did find a death from a car crash (1180840-1). There's also a VAERS report (1082804-1) for someone who stepped in front of a semi truck on the highway. VAERS also includes multiple people who died after being vaccinated while they were already in hospice. I think if someone was already in hospice for their terminal condition, it's unlikely that the vaccine is the cause of death (e.g. VAERS IDs 0921880-1, a 96 man who was vaccinated while in hospice and died the following day)

nerdponx 5y ago

You can look up data on adverse side effects in the US HHS VAERS database: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html but keep in mind that side effects tend to be under-reported. There might be other issues with the VAERS data that I'm not aware of. When I last checked the data, the risks of Covid-19, particularly the risk of severe infection and/or "long hauler" symptoms, seemed to outweigh the risks of vaccination by ~10:1. But that was several months ago, and I am wondering if/how things have changed when it comes to booster shots and omicron variant.

XorNot 5y ago
> keep in mind that side effects tend to be under-reported. If you're looking at VAERS then this statement is objectively wrong. VAERS records every medical event that happens within 6 weeks of any vaccination and does not establish causation.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  I had a little inflammation in one of my eyes immediately after my second dose. It went away, I didn’t report it to anyone. It might have been an immune reaction, I might have just gotten something in my eye, everything was better in a few days. It didn’t seem worth the trouble or expense to try to do anything about it. That is the kind of underreporting. A second kind of underreporting is having only very mild symptoms which would only be caught with a timely test.
  - alexvoda 5y ago
    We should strive to make reporting so easy and painless it is routine. I believe this together with finding ways to increase trust is the only way to decrease the first type of under-reporting.
- buffington 5y ago
  > VAERS records every medical event that happens This statement is also objectively wrong. VAERS has no data for unreported medical events.

CamperBob2 5y ago

Of course, you've already done a search on the disease's side effects, right? I mean, just for comparison with whatever you learn about the vaccine's side effects?

cwkoss 5y ago
Yep, mostly curious for deciding which vaccine I want to boost with.

walterbell 5y ago

For global data, search for "covid-19 vaccine" at http://vigiaccess.org/ http://vigiaccess.org/. Be sure to read the long disclaimer on the page. > VigiAccess was launched by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 2015 to provide public access to information in VigiBase, the WHO global database of reported potential side effects of medicinal products. Side effects – known technically as adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and adverse events following immunization (AEFIs) – are reported by national pharmacovigilance centres or national drug regulatory authorities that are members of the WHO Programme for International Drug Monitoring (PIDM). WHO PIDM was created in 1968 to ensure the safer and more effective use of medicinal products. The US VAERS database has about 50/50 US and foreign reports. It is simultaneously criticized as unverified (i.e. GIGO) and missing data due to disincentives against reporting. If you have a vaccine lot number, replace the last six characters in this sample query URL, for a summary of adverse events. The raw data can be download and imported into a SQL database for deeper analysis: https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&GROUP2=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=COVID-19&VAXLOT=EM0477 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=... US Vaccine Safety Datalink (the source for the paper in this article) has data from some HMOs. The raw data is not available to the public. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21502240/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21502240/ > The Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) project is a collaborative project between the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 8 managed care organizations (MCOs) in the United States. Established in 1990 to conduct postmarketing evaluations of vaccine safety, the project has created an infrastructure that allows for high-quality research and surveillance. The 8 participating MCOs comprise a large population of 8.8 million members annually (3% of the US population), which enables researchers to conduct studies that assess adverse events after immunization.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

You won't find it in the USA or from the CDC because the USA doesn't have comprehensive centralized medical databases. Look for data from the UK or Israel