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> ... and not the external demand to immigrate, It's got to be a mix of both, no? > that my original claim isn't just "kinda sorta true" but rather, "strictly

by ska 5y ago

> ... and not the external demand to immigrate, It's got to be a mix of both, no? > that my original claim isn't just "kinda sorta true" but rather, "strictly true". I don't think we are really disagreeing. My point was that the common trope about US being the only place everyone wants to go has never really been true, but that especially by net amounts, it has been and remains a popular immigration target, albeit not as much as it has in the past.

throwaway894345 5y ago
> It's got to be a mix of both, no? Not as far as I can tell. The rate of immigration is the lesser of “how many people are willing to migrates the host country” and “how many migrants the host country will accept” and I would be shocked if the latter number was not many multiples of the former number. > My point was that the common trope about US being the only place everyone wants to go has never really been true I’ve heard some outlandish things under the rubric of American exceptionalism, but I’ve never once heard anyone—not even my most nationalistic acquaintances nor Fox News/etc—say that the US was the only place anyone wants to go. Who are the people who believe/espouse this?
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- ska 5y ago
  > Not as far as I can tell. It depends a bit if you have absolute quotas, or thresholds/scoring. > some outlandish things under the rubric of American exceptionalism, I was unclear, apologies. The idea isn't that nobody goes anywhere else, obviously. The idea, which I have heard many times in the US, is that once someone has decided to immigrate, all else being equal they would obviously choose the US. Clearly most times all else isn't equal; but it also doesn't seem to be true...
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > The idea, which I have heard many times in the US, is that once someone has decided to immigrate, all else being equal they would obviously choose the US Fair enough, but even still I’ve never heard that even among “Fuck yeah, ‘merica” types.

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throwaway894345 5y ago

> It's got to be a mix of both, no? Not as far as I can tell. The rate of immigration is the lesser of “how many people are willing to migrates the host country” and “how many migrants the host country will accept” and I would be shocked if the latter number was not many multiples of the former number. > My point was that the common trope about US being the only place everyone wants to go has never really been true I’ve heard some outlandish things under the rubric of American exceptionalism, but I’ve never once heard anyone—not even my most nationalistic acquaintances nor Fox News/etc—say that the US was the only place anyone wants to go. Who are the people who believe/espouse this?

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ska 5y ago
> Not as far as I can tell. It depends a bit if you have absolute quotas, or thresholds/scoring. > some outlandish things under the rubric of American exceptionalism, I was unclear, apologies. The idea isn't that nobody goes anywhere else, obviously. The idea, which I have heard many times in the US, is that once someone has decided to immigrate, all else being equal they would obviously choose the US. Clearly most times all else isn't equal; but it also doesn't seem to be true...
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > The idea, which I have heard many times in the US, is that once someone has decided to immigrate, all else being equal they would obviously choose the US Fair enough, but even still I’ve never heard that even among “Fuck yeah, ‘merica” types.