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If the evidence is easy to find, please present it.

syki 5y ago
I’ve done so twice. Here’s a third one. I’m not your researcher and have no desire to do the work for you beyond what I’ve done so far. Everyone has a right to avoid uncomfortable truths. https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-domestic-violence/ https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-dom...
- rednerrus 5y ago
  Are you asserting that domestic violence is "non judicial punishments" or that it's violating the general populations right to peaceable assembly? Is there a domestic violence problem in the police force? From the evidence you're presenting, possibly. Is that evidence "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers. Police regularly punch, kick, or otherwise cause pain on people with no repercussions or reporting. People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse."? Absolutely not. This is why I'm asking you for your sources. The argument that you're putting forward is specious. The lack of particulars is a dead giveaway. When pressed, you're falling back on statistics that have nothing to do with your argument. I expect hackernews users to be more reasonable than this.
  - syki 5y ago
    I made a series of assertions. One of them being that police rarely police themselves. I used the domestic violence problem amongst police forces as evidence of this. Nowhere did I state anything along the lines that this fact has anything to do with police engaging in widespread violence against people they encounter. Do your own research. It’s easy to find studies about police violence they commit in the communities they patrol. But one has to wonder if police commit violence at home at a much higher rate than the general population is it surprising they commit violence against people they arrest? https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2861&context=etd https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2...
    - rednerrus 5y ago
      You literally wrote "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers." and "People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse." Forgive me if I assumed the second statement was in regards to the police and that isn't what you meant. Do you have evidence for either of those statements? Increased domestic violence may very well lead to increased violence at work. You haven't presented any evidence to indicate that.
      - syki 5y ago
        You previously wrote: Are you asserting that domestic violence is "non judicial punishments" or that it's violating the general populations right to peaceable assembly? Now you write: You literally wrote "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers." and "People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse." Forgive me if I assumed the second statement was in regards to the police and that isn't what you meant. Obviously these two statements I wrote have to do with police and violence they perpetrate. Equally obvious is that these statements are separate to my claims about police not policing themselves where I used domestic violence they inflict with impunity as evidence of that statement. You are welcome to believe that police commit widespread violence against their families but not against the people they arrest. It seems an unreasonable position to be in but you are free to have it.

syki 5y ago

I’ve done so twice. Here’s a third one. I’m not your researcher and have no desire to do the work for you beyond what I’ve done so far. Everyone has a right to avoid uncomfortable truths. https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-domestic-violence/ https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/police-brutality-and-dom...

rednerrus 5y ago
Are you asserting that domestic violence is "non judicial punishments" or that it's violating the general populations right to peaceable assembly? Is there a domestic violence problem in the police force? From the evidence you're presenting, possibly. Is that evidence "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers. Police regularly punch, kick, or otherwise cause pain on people with no repercussions or reporting. People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse."? Absolutely not. This is why I'm asking you for your sources. The argument that you're putting forward is specious. The lack of particulars is a dead giveaway. When pressed, you're falling back on statistics that have nothing to do with your argument. I expect hackernews users to be more reasonable than this.
- syki 5y ago
  I made a series of assertions. One of them being that police rarely police themselves. I used the domestic violence problem amongst police forces as evidence of this. Nowhere did I state anything along the lines that this fact has anything to do with police engaging in widespread violence against people they encounter. Do your own research. It’s easy to find studies about police violence they commit in the communities they patrol. But one has to wonder if police commit violence at home at a much higher rate than the general population is it surprising they commit violence against people they arrest? https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2861&context=etd https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2...
  - rednerrus 5y ago
    You literally wrote "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers." and "People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse." Forgive me if I assumed the second statement was in regards to the police and that isn't what you meant. Do you have evidence for either of those statements? Increased domestic violence may very well lead to increased violence at work. You haven't presented any evidence to indicate that.
    - syki 5y ago
      You previously wrote: Are you asserting that domestic violence is "non judicial punishments" or that it's violating the general populations right to peaceable assembly? Now you write: You literally wrote "There is widespread use of non judicial punishments by police officers." and "People engaged in constitutionally protected activities are often subjected to intimidation and brutality with no recourse." Forgive me if I assumed the second statement was in regards to the police and that isn't what you meant. Obviously these two statements I wrote have to do with police and violence they perpetrate. Equally obvious is that these statements are separate to my claims about police not policing themselves where I used domestic violence they inflict with impunity as evidence of that statement. You are welcome to believe that police commit widespread violence against their families but not against the people they arrest. It seems an unreasonable position to be in but you are free to have it.