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As for "legal title," you have "legal title" to whatever the sales contract promised. If access to full battery capacity at the expense of service life wasn't i

As for "legal title," you have "legal title" to whatever the sales contract promised. If access to full battery capacity at the expense of service life wasn't in the contract, then you're not entitled to it. That's definitely not how physical property works.

CamperBob2 5y ago
Really? Educate me. I mean, there are implicit guarantees that don't have to appear in the sales contract, such as the requirement that the car will meet the applicable pollution-control regulations and won't actively try to kill me, but that's obvious enough. Did you have something else in mind, particularly vis-a-vis the batteries?
- nitrogen 5y ago
  (Not a lawyer) Generally, at least in the US, when you own a physical object, you can do whatever you want with it that isn't explicitly illegal. This is at least partially represented in the first sale doctrine. For a car, you have a literal entitlement document showing that you own it. What you're not entitled to is any help from the manufacturer to do so, except that repairs can't void a warranty if those repairs didn't cause the problem being warrantied. With regard to batteries, there's no reason someone who owns a Tesla shouldn't be able to replace or upgrade the battery they own on the car they own.
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
    Sure, but what does that have to do with what happened here? No one tried to hack the battery management system. The company modified it as a goodwill gesture (and to ensure that it didn't cause a PR disaster by functioning as intended.)
    - nitrogen 5y ago
      > > If you wanted to get access to what you had legal title to, well, that's an upcharge. > As for "legal title," you have "legal title" to whatever the sales contract promised. You own the car. You own the battery. No sales contract changes that fact of ownership. They delivered a 75kwh battery into your possession. Since it's your battery, you should be able to use your battery however you want without having to pay Tesla. People are rightfully upset by a PR move that proves that the manufacturer is treating a car that was sold and delivered as if it still belongs to the manufacturer.

CamperBob2 5y ago

Really? Educate me. I mean, there are implicit guarantees that don't have to appear in the sales contract, such as the requirement that the car will meet the applicable pollution-control regulations and won't actively try to kill me, but that's obvious enough. Did you have something else in mind, particularly vis-a-vis the batteries?

nitrogen 5y ago
(Not a lawyer) Generally, at least in the US, when you own a physical object, you can do whatever you want with it that isn't explicitly illegal. This is at least partially represented in the first sale doctrine. For a car, you have a literal entitlement document showing that you own it. What you're not entitled to is any help from the manufacturer to do so, except that repairs can't void a warranty if those repairs didn't cause the problem being warrantied. With regard to batteries, there's no reason someone who owns a Tesla shouldn't be able to replace or upgrade the battery they own on the car they own.
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  Sure, but what does that have to do with what happened here? No one tried to hack the battery management system. The company modified it as a goodwill gesture (and to ensure that it didn't cause a PR disaster by functioning as intended.)
  - nitrogen 5y ago
    > > If you wanted to get access to what you had legal title to, well, that's an upcharge. > As for "legal title," you have "legal title" to whatever the sales contract promised. You own the car. You own the battery. No sales contract changes that fact of ownership. They delivered a 75kwh battery into your possession. Since it's your battery, you should be able to use your battery however you want without having to pay Tesla. People are rightfully upset by a PR move that proves that the manufacturer is treating a car that was sold and delivered as if it still belongs to the manufacturer.