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I've seen every David Mamet movie and Musk is no conman by any fair definition. Politics works like this: 1. Politician "shares a vision" 2. People buy into

by slibhb 5y ago

I've seen every David Mamet movie and Musk is no conman by any fair definition. Politics works like this: 1. Politician "shares a vision" 2. People buy into that vision by voting politician into office 3. Politician never achieves vision but makes progress towards it or fails to The vision can be something like "everyone should be able to go to college," "a good job for every American," "no more homelessness," "healthcare for every American" and so on. Is this lying? In some sense, yes, but I would say we should judge politicans by how they change the world (for better or for worse) rather than whether they actually achieve their vision. Is it possible to make progress towards some goal without an unrealistic ideal providing inspiration?

dragontamer 5y ago
This strategy is called "The old Razzle Dazzle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4 Its well known to work. We all know it works, and there are a myriad of examples throughout US history (and maybe even in other countries). Just because it works doesn't mean its moral. ------- Leverage your popularity, start fights in the public, get the common people low-key interested (but not interested enough to actually look at the facts, just interested enough to follow the fun stuff) and give them a show. Suddenly you get a ton of supporters. Politicians, Lawyers, and yes, CEOs / Businessmen commonly do this. Call it whatever you want, its not something I think we should b glorifying as a society.
- slibhb 5y ago
  Whether this process is justifiable or moral is an interesting question. A second question is whether there's any alternative (I doubt it). One thing's for sure: the border between "vision" and "lie" is hard to figure out.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    The line is crossed when you start demeaning honest people to get your idea out there. A line that Elon has crossed many years ago. Pedo-Scuba Diver, COVID19 denial to keep the Fremont factory open, $39,990 Cybertruck, SEC flaunting / breaking of rules, etc. etc.

by slibhb 5y ago

dragontamer 5y ago

This strategy is called "The old Razzle Dazzle": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4 Its well known to work. We all know it works, and there are a myriad of examples throughout US history (and maybe even in other countries). Just because it works doesn't mean its moral. ------- Leverage your popularity, start fights in the public, get the common people low-key interested (but not interested enough to actually look at the facts, just interested enough to follow the fun stuff) and give them a show. Suddenly you get a ton of supporters. Politicians, Lawyers, and yes, CEOs / Businessmen commonly do this. Call it whatever you want, its not something I think we should b glorifying as a society.

slibhb 5y ago
Whether this process is justifiable or moral is an interesting question. A second question is whether there's any alternative (I doubt it). One thing's for sure: the border between "vision" and "lie" is hard to figure out.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  The line is crossed when you start demeaning honest people to get your idea out there. A line that Elon has crossed many years ago. Pedo-Scuba Diver, COVID19 denial to keep the Fremont factory open, $39,990 Cybertruck, SEC flaunting / breaking of rules, etc. etc.