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The M1 Max runs also at a fraction of the 3080 TDP. Performance in gaming is a non issue. Apple didn’t advertise it as a gaming machine, and quite honestly, no

The M1 Max runs also at a fraction of the 3080 TDP. Performance in gaming is a non issue. Apple didn’t advertise it as a gaming machine, and quite honestly, nobody buys a $3000+ MacBook to play games.

smoldesu 5y ago
Very few people buy gaming laptops to edit video on, but that's not a reason for them to perform poorly at the task. The most frustrating part about the M1-series is that it's gaming performance is limited by arbitrary software decisions.
treesknees 5y ago
I bought my M1 Pro not for the sole purpose of being a gaming rig, but I did certainly buy it with the hopes that it could play games at least better than my old Intel integrated graphics laptop did. And it does - I can run the PCSX2 PS2 emulator with a controller and my fans don't even spin up. And with Rosetta II there are plenty of Mac games I can play without any issues.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  What do you intend to do when they remove Rosetta?
  - Raymonf 5y ago
    Use a Windows VM? x86(_64)->ARM64 is not going away on Windows anytime soon.
  - officeplant 5y ago
    Pray that there are more natively ported games by then, and just not updating and holding onto Rosetta for much longer than I should. Win11ARM in Parallels doing x86 emulation works pretty well for older games and its how I play old shooters and Everquest at the moment.
- photojosh 5y ago
  Yep. I'm running the Dolphin emulator which runs perfectly, even rendering at a much higher resolution. Except Apple broke Wiimote connecting via the native Bluetooth with Monterey. :(
sudosysgen 5y ago
Performance is worse than a 3060 with basically the same tdp. Let's not pretend it's about games. Most workloads see 3060 level performance, basically anything except editing video in prores and ML workloads that require a lot of memory.
- manuelabeledo 5y ago
  How so? The M1 Max TDP tops at 90W, and runs at around 40W during benchmarking. The minimum configuration for the RTX 3060 Mobile runs at 60W, and the maximum, at 115W, both for the GPU alone. You would need to pair it with a CPU with a max TDP of 30W.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The M1 Max uses 120W when stressing GPU and CPU. The GPU by itself uses around 60W. These are sustained, not peak, figures. The M1 Max GPU does use 60W and so do many 3060 Mobiles with worse overall performance, at almost three times the price. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...
    - manuelabeledo 5y ago
      > The M1 Max uses 120W when stressing GPU and CPU. The GPU by itself uses around 60W. The article clearly states that it is 120W on the wall. The SoC goes up to 92W. Nowhere it says that the GPU itself uses 60W. You have also glossed over the fact that the article asserts that the MacBook runs at half of the wattage of an Intel system with a RTX 3080, 120W v. 256W. > The M1 Max GPU does use 60W and so do many 3060 Mobiles with worse overall performance A 3060 runs on 60W at the very low end. Usual configurations are 80W and 115W, and the differences in performance between those two are quite noticeable [1]. And again, you seem to focus on gaming, which is fine, but not the target market of a MacBook Pro. Notice that all the games tested are not native, but running on top of Rosetta 2. The M1 Max does great when it comes to video [2], and I would say the same for other workloads [3] [4] that have been, at least historically, where Apple has mostly focused on. > at almost three times the price Citation needed. Three times the price of what? The Intel system used in the Anandtech article is $3,149.00 [5], is the MacBook Pro $9,000? By the way, Nvidia also has pro versions of their GPUs, they don't perform as well in gaming as they do in other tasks, and they really are way more expensive than their consumer counterparts. Are we now going to dismiss a Quadro RTX because it does not do too well running Tomb Raider? [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx3060mobile-multiple-tdp-configs-tested https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx3060mobile-multiple-tdp... [2] https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc... [3] https://blog.yiningkarlli.com/2021/10/takua-on-m1-max.html https://blog.yiningkarlli.com/2021/10/takua-on-m1-max.html [4] https://austinmann.com/trek/macbook-pro-m1-max-for-photographers https://austinmann.com/trek/macbook-pro-m1-max-for-photograp... [5] https://www.adorama.com/msige7611054.html https://www.adorama.com/msige7611054.html

smoldesu 5y ago

Very few people buy gaming laptops to edit video on, but that's not a reason for them to perform poorly at the task. The most frustrating part about the M1-series is that it's gaming performance is limited by arbitrary software decisions.

treesknees 5y ago

I bought my M1 Pro not for the sole purpose of being a gaming rig, but I did certainly buy it with the hopes that it could play games at least better than my old Intel integrated graphics laptop did. And it does - I can run the PCSX2 PS2 emulator with a controller and my fans don't even spin up. And with Rosetta II there are plenty of Mac games I can play without any issues.

smoldesu 5y ago
What do you intend to do when they remove Rosetta?
- Raymonf 5y ago
  Use a Windows VM? x86(_64)->ARM64 is not going away on Windows anytime soon.
- officeplant 5y ago
  Pray that there are more natively ported games by then, and just not updating and holding onto Rosetta for much longer than I should. Win11ARM in Parallels doing x86 emulation works pretty well for older games and its how I play old shooters and Everquest at the moment.
photojosh 5y ago
Yep. I'm running the Dolphin emulator which runs perfectly, even rendering at a much higher resolution. Except Apple broke Wiimote connecting via the native Bluetooth with Monterey. :(

sudosysgen 5y ago

Performance is worse than a 3060 with basically the same tdp. Let's not pretend it's about games. Most workloads see 3060 level performance, basically anything except editing video in prores and ML workloads that require a lot of memory.

manuelabeledo 5y ago
How so? The M1 Max TDP tops at 90W, and runs at around 40W during benchmarking. The minimum configuration for the RTX 3060 Mobile runs at 60W, and the maximum, at 115W, both for the GPU alone. You would need to pair it with a CPU with a max TDP of 30W.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  The M1 Max uses 120W when stressing GPU and CPU. The GPU by itself uses around 60W. These are sustained, not peak, figures. The M1 Max GPU does use 60W and so do many 3060 Mobiles with worse overall performance, at almost three times the price. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...
  - manuelabeledo 5y ago
    > The M1 Max uses 120W when stressing GPU and CPU. The GPU by itself uses around 60W. The article clearly states that it is 120W on the wall. The SoC goes up to 92W. Nowhere it says that the GPU itself uses 60W. You have also glossed over the fact that the article asserts that the MacBook runs at half of the wattage of an Intel system with a RTX 3080, 120W v. 256W. > The M1 Max GPU does use 60W and so do many 3060 Mobiles with worse overall performance A 3060 runs on 60W at the very low end. Usual configurations are 80W and 115W, and the differences in performance between those two are quite noticeable [1]. And again, you seem to focus on gaming, which is fine, but not the target market of a MacBook Pro. Notice that all the games tested are not native, but running on top of Rosetta 2. The M1 Max does great when it comes to video [2], and I would say the same for other workloads [3] [4] that have been, at least historically, where Apple has mostly focused on. > at almost three times the price Citation needed. Three times the price of what? The Intel system used in the Anandtech article is $3,149.00 [5], is the MacBook Pro $9,000? By the way, Nvidia also has pro versions of their GPUs, they don't perform as well in gaming as they do in other tasks, and they really are way more expensive than their consumer counterparts. Are we now going to dismiss a Quadro RTX because it does not do too well running Tomb Raider? [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx3060mobile-multiple-tdp-configs-tested https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx3060mobile-multiple-tdp... [2] https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc... [3] https://blog.yiningkarlli.com/2021/10/takua-on-m1-max.html https://blog.yiningkarlli.com/2021/10/takua-on-m1-max.html [4] https://austinmann.com/trek/macbook-pro-m1-max-for-photographers https://austinmann.com/trek/macbook-pro-m1-max-for-photograp... [5] https://www.adorama.com/msige7611054.html https://www.adorama.com/msige7611054.html