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This is like saying other people are suffering more than you so your suffering is moot. Let's not tolerate injustices just because others have it worse.

Manuel_D 5y ago
No it's not. It's pointing out the absurdity of saying that people aren't free because police can arrest, and in the cas of violent offenders, kill people. If that's the case then nobody is really free. Every country has a police force that has authority to use lethal force. Of course somebody in North Korea is less free than somebody living in the US. And of course it doesn't mean that we shouldn't address those cases where the police use force without just cause.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  >It's pointing out the absurdity of saying that people aren't free because police can arrest, and in the cas of violent offenders, kill people I like how you had to add "in the case of violent offenders", even though the GP was talking about peaceful Americans excercising rights. Was Daniel Shaver a violent offender? What about Philando Castile? No, in other countries, police do not act like a cartel, and yes they are in-fact more free.
  - Manuel_D 5y ago
    > Was Daniel Shaver a violent offender? He was pointing a rifle out of the window of his hotel room which caused people to dial 911. The police are going into this situation with the belief that Shaver is armed. The police shot him after he reached for his waistband after being told to keep his hands up. > What about Philando Castile? The officer was charged and prosecuted, and the jury found him not guilty. What more do you want done? Kidnap the officer and imprison him extrajudicially? Police do get charged when they kill people without a credible threat presented to them. The conviction of Derek Chauvin presents a clear example of this. You listed two examples of people who probably would still be alive with better police, out of the thousand or so people killed by police each year. The overwhelming majority of people killed by police are presenting clear danger. The instances to the contrary are noteworthy because they aren't the norm.
    - syki 5y ago
      Was it a real prosecution in the Philando Castile case? Did the prosecution and judge really give an unbiased effort? Consider this. Philando was legally exercising his right to carry a gun and informed the officer of this. He was then killed with impunity. Is it really a right to carry guns if you can be killed for doing so by the state with no repercussions? What is truly astounding is silence of all the 2nd Amendment folks at this fact. I’m sure Philando’s race had nothing to do with their silence. Police rarely suffer consequences for their bad acts.
      - Manuel_D 5y ago
        > Was it a real prosecution in the Philando Castile case? Did the prosecution and judge really give an unbiased effort? As far as I know, yes. If you have any evidence to the contrary please share it. Do you have any reason to think otherwise besides the fact that the verdict isn't what you desired? > He was then killed with impunity. With impunity? The officer was charged and prosecuted. That's literally the opposite of impunity. > I’m sure Philando’s race had nothing to do with their silence. Curious that you follow this line of reasoning when ~~you~~ the previous commenter supplied a counterexample of a white person being shot under near-identical circumstances.
        syki 5y ago
        I didn’t supply any examples. You have me confused with someone else. Daniel Shaver wasn’t armed and therefore is not an example of someone exercising their 2nd amendment right and being killed by police. You did not address the point made in the last paragraph. I live in Saint Paul and there were criticisms of the judges instructions to the jury. I have no idea of the validity of the criticisms but prosecutors have been known to go lightly against defendants they sympathize with. He was killed with impunity because the person who killed him was not punished. Well, not in any meaningful or commensurate way.
        Manuel_D 5y ago
        > I didn’t supply any examples. You have me confused with someone else. Noted, and the previous comment has since been edited to reflect this correction. > Daniel Shaver wasn’t armed and therefore is not an example of someone exercising their 2nd amendment right and being killed by police. I think my point still stands, and is perhaps even stronger. How does the contrast between police killing an armed (legally armed, but armed nonetheless) black man and the police killing an unarmed white man demonstrate racial bias? > He was killed with impunity because the person who killed him was not punished. Well, not in any meaningful or commensurate way. The government attempted to punish the police officer. But we live in a country with checks and balances, and the jury did not convict. Again, what more do you want the government to do? Send in goons carry out extrajudicial punishment?
CountDrewku 5y ago
That's a strawman. Look up the word perspective.

Manuel_D 5y ago

No it's not. It's pointing out the absurdity of saying that people aren't free because police can arrest, and in the cas of violent offenders, kill people. If that's the case then nobody is really free. Every country has a police force that has authority to use lethal force. Of course somebody in North Korea is less free than somebody living in the US. And of course it doesn't mean that we shouldn't address those cases where the police use force without just cause.

nemothekid 5y ago
>It's pointing out the absurdity of saying that people aren't free because police can arrest, and in the cas of violent offenders, kill people I like how you had to add "in the case of violent offenders", even though the GP was talking about peaceful Americans excercising rights. Was Daniel Shaver a violent offender? What about Philando Castile? No, in other countries, police do not act like a cartel, and yes they are in-fact more free.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  > Was Daniel Shaver a violent offender? He was pointing a rifle out of the window of his hotel room which caused people to dial 911. The police are going into this situation with the belief that Shaver is armed. The police shot him after he reached for his waistband after being told to keep his hands up. > What about Philando Castile? The officer was charged and prosecuted, and the jury found him not guilty. What more do you want done? Kidnap the officer and imprison him extrajudicially? Police do get charged when they kill people without a credible threat presented to them. The conviction of Derek Chauvin presents a clear example of this. You listed two examples of people who probably would still be alive with better police, out of the thousand or so people killed by police each year. The overwhelming majority of people killed by police are presenting clear danger. The instances to the contrary are noteworthy because they aren't the norm.
  - syki 5y ago
    Was it a real prosecution in the Philando Castile case? Did the prosecution and judge really give an unbiased effort? Consider this. Philando was legally exercising his right to carry a gun and informed the officer of this. He was then killed with impunity. Is it really a right to carry guns if you can be killed for doing so by the state with no repercussions? What is truly astounding is silence of all the 2nd Amendment folks at this fact. I’m sure Philando’s race had nothing to do with their silence. Police rarely suffer consequences for their bad acts.
    - Manuel_D 5y ago
      > Was it a real prosecution in the Philando Castile case? Did the prosecution and judge really give an unbiased effort? As far as I know, yes. If you have any evidence to the contrary please share it. Do you have any reason to think otherwise besides the fact that the verdict isn't what you desired? > He was then killed with impunity. With impunity? The officer was charged and prosecuted. That's literally the opposite of impunity. > I’m sure Philando’s race had nothing to do with their silence. Curious that you follow this line of reasoning when ~~you~~ the previous commenter supplied a counterexample of a white person being shot under near-identical circumstances.
      - syki 5y ago
        I didn’t supply any examples. You have me confused with someone else. Daniel Shaver wasn’t armed and therefore is not an example of someone exercising their 2nd amendment right and being killed by police. You did not address the point made in the last paragraph. I live in Saint Paul and there were criticisms of the judges instructions to the jury. I have no idea of the validity of the criticisms but prosecutors have been known to go lightly against defendants they sympathize with. He was killed with impunity because the person who killed him was not punished. Well, not in any meaningful or commensurate way.
        Manuel_D 5y ago
        > I didn’t supply any examples. You have me confused with someone else. Noted, and the previous comment has since been edited to reflect this correction. > Daniel Shaver wasn’t armed and therefore is not an example of someone exercising their 2nd amendment right and being killed by police. I think my point still stands, and is perhaps even stronger. How does the contrast between police killing an armed (legally armed, but armed nonetheless) black man and the police killing an unarmed white man demonstrate racial bias? > He was killed with impunity because the person who killed him was not punished. Well, not in any meaningful or commensurate way. The government attempted to punish the police officer. But we live in a country with checks and balances, and the jury did not convict. Again, what more do you want the government to do? Send in goons carry out extrajudicial punishment?

CountDrewku 5y ago

That's a strawman. Look up the word perspective.