> How many actual veterans of the post-911 wars do you know? If the answer is "zero" maybe sit down. I have several in my extended family, thank you very much.

> How many actual veterans of the post-911 wars do you know? If the answer is "zero" maybe sit down. I have several in my extended family, thank you very much. Nevertheless, I object to excluding people from this discussion, whether they live in a country which did not send solders to those wars, or whether they are US citizens who are not directly connected to the military but nevertheless participate in our democracy.