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It was in Iraq that he saw troops using "enhanced interrogation" tactics, including breaking prisoners' bones and stripping them naked in the freezing cold. Wh

It was in Iraq that he saw troops using "enhanced interrogation" tactics, including breaking prisoners' bones and stripping them naked in the freezing cold. Where can we read more about this? This must have been a huge International Crimes Court war crime prosecution effort; I'm surprised I missed it in the news. How many years in jail were those responsible sentenced to?

mistrial9 5y ago
it is so awful that there are real reasons not to pass the material around in public.. plenty of people here in the USA protested this extensively .. Your good-looking world leader and mine, Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, was the executive in charge here
SapporoChris 5y ago
Here's a good place to start reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...
hencq 5y ago
You're probably being sarcastic and I completely agree that it's scandalous that those responsible (like Cheney) got away with it, but it was all over the news at the time.
- StanislavPetrov 5y ago
  They didn't just, "get away with it", they were promoted to the highest levels of society. "Bloody" Gina Haspel, one of the CIA agents running the torture camps (where she earned her nickname) was promoted by the two subsequent presidents and eventually became head of the CIA! The worst peddlers of WMD/war propaganda in the media were promoted to the highest positions of power. People like Jeffrey Goldberg who is today the editor in chief of The Atlantic. The Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations who supported the illegal invasion and rallied support among his fellow Democrats to ensure that a majority of them voted to support it is now President of the United States. And on the flip side of the coin, one of the people who blew the whistle on US war crimes in Iraq with the release of the "collateral murder" video (among many others), Julian Assange, has been rotting in a UK dungeon for years.
GordonS 5y ago
I would encourage you not to go down that rabbit hole. I did so several years back, and wish I hadn't - the level of brutality and plain evilness of rendition and torture at scale (Torture as a Service, you might say) was/is just so utterly horrifying and disgusting. It went on so much in Iraq that they even forgot about people they'd tortured, broken, sexuality abused and left naked on freezing concrete floors in dungeons. I swear something broke inside of me after reading some of the details - ever since, I don't even watch/read news anymore, because it just makes me so angry and sad. The Americans are supposed to be "the good guys", but agents of the state have performed atrocities on a bewildering scale for decades, and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it.
- gugagore 5y ago
  I ultimately agree with not going down the rabbit hole, but I don't agree with the hopelessness. I wish I could counter the claim that "there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it" with some specific actions. I hope someone else opines.
- worik 5y ago
  If you are a USA citizen, go down that rabbit hole. Since 9/11 the USA has been a rouge state, slaughtering hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of people all over the world. It is very hard to figure out the motivation, it is more than money. I am no historian but it seems like the sort of imperialism we have not seen for over a thousand years. It is urgent that USA citizens reign in their government that is causing so much misery for so many so widely
- lm28469 5y ago
  > The Americans are supposed to be "the good guys" There is no "good guys", this is pure propaganda, same shit for every other country. It's all about ressources and power, not good and evil. I mean, Guantanamo, "the good guys", yeah, good joke...
  - GordonS 5y ago
    Yes, it's a bad joke, but the propaganda works very well indeed. So much so that even back when some of this stuff was in the mainstream news (OK, not the details, but still), hardly anyone cared - because it was the "good guys" doing what "needed to be done" to "keep us safe", and anyone saying otherwise was a "nutter conspiracy theorist".
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fulafel 5y ago
There's a US law for invading The Hague if ICC were to do this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court#American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Intern... In addition there have been public threats against the judges.

mistrial9 5y ago

it is so awful that there are real reasons not to pass the material around in public.. plenty of people here in the USA protested this extensively .. Your good-looking world leader and mine, Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, was the executive in charge here

SapporoChris 5y ago

Here's a good place to start reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...

hencq 5y ago

You're probably being sarcastic and I completely agree that it's scandalous that those responsible (like Cheney) got away with it, but it was all over the news at the time.

StanislavPetrov 5y ago
They didn't just, "get away with it", they were promoted to the highest levels of society. "Bloody" Gina Haspel, one of the CIA agents running the torture camps (where she earned her nickname) was promoted by the two subsequent presidents and eventually became head of the CIA! The worst peddlers of WMD/war propaganda in the media were promoted to the highest positions of power. People like Jeffrey Goldberg who is today the editor in chief of The Atlantic. The Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations who supported the illegal invasion and rallied support among his fellow Democrats to ensure that a majority of them voted to support it is now President of the United States. And on the flip side of the coin, one of the people who blew the whistle on US war crimes in Iraq with the release of the "collateral murder" video (among many others), Julian Assange, has been rotting in a UK dungeon for years.

GordonS 5y ago

I would encourage you not to go down that rabbit hole. I did so several years back, and wish I hadn't - the level of brutality and plain evilness of rendition and torture at scale (Torture as a Service, you might say) was/is just so utterly horrifying and disgusting. It went on so much in Iraq that they even forgot about people they'd tortured, broken, sexuality abused and left naked on freezing concrete floors in dungeons. I swear something broke inside of me after reading some of the details - ever since, I don't even watch/read news anymore, because it just makes me so angry and sad. The Americans are supposed to be "the good guys", but agents of the state have performed atrocities on a bewildering scale for decades, and there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it.

gugagore 5y ago
I ultimately agree with not going down the rabbit hole, but I don't agree with the hopelessness. I wish I could counter the claim that "there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it" with some specific actions. I hope someone else opines.
worik 5y ago
If you are a USA citizen, go down that rabbit hole. Since 9/11 the USA has been a rouge state, slaughtering hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of people all over the world. It is very hard to figure out the motivation, it is more than money. I am no historian but it seems like the sort of imperialism we have not seen for over a thousand years. It is urgent that USA citizens reign in their government that is causing so much misery for so many so widely
lm28469 5y ago
> The Americans are supposed to be "the good guys" There is no "good guys", this is pure propaganda, same shit for every other country. It's all about ressources and power, not good and evil. I mean, Guantanamo, "the good guys", yeah, good joke...
- GordonS 5y ago
  Yes, it's a bad joke, but the propaganda works very well indeed. So much so that even back when some of this stuff was in the mainstream news (OK, not the details, but still), hardly anyone cared - because it was the "good guys" doing what "needed to be done" to "keep us safe", and anyone saying otherwise was a "nutter conspiracy theorist".

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fulafel 5y ago

There's a US law for invading The Hague if ICC were to do this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court#American_Service-Members'_Protection_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_Intern... In addition there have been public threats against the judges.