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This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so

This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

hef19898 5y ago
Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  > And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to his game: Musk carefully SEO's his words and public image to make the internet itself forget about these claims. Only people who actually rely upon their own personal memories (ie: the Battery Swap demo from 2013) can pull this information out. Otherwise, they're fogotten. ---- In any case, this video-games while driving thing is just more of the 2016 claim of "coast to coast full self driving by 2018". He hasn't delivered upon the promise and needs to muck up the waters even more on the subject. https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-drive-coast-to-coast-by-2018 https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-dr... > [Elon] said that the coast-to-coast test is still on track to take place at the end of the year, and that all Tesla cars built since October 2016 would be updated. The plan, announced in a Ted Talk last month, is to “go all the way from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York with no controls touched in the entire journey.”
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of talent. Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them.
    - dragontamer 5y ago
      > Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them. No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California. We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for. So I'm going to keep pointing them out.
      - toomuchtodo 5y ago
        I will accept some lies for desperately needed progress. And, as you mention, lying works. Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Definitely not where we are today. Legacy automakers are still making half hearted efforts at electrifying transportation while Tesla increases production 100% YoY. Legacy auto would’ve made no effort without Tesla coming at them hard, versus the little bit of effort they show today. Are you willing to sacrifice morally or ethically if the change needed to mitigate climate change is going to require some less than total honesty? Consider we, again, as you mention, live in a post truth world. One must adapt to the operating environment to increases chances of success.
        dragontamer 5y ago
        > Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Hydrogen Fuel Cells and probably more widespread PHEVs. Which would have been a superior future than where we are today. 10-million cars with 200lbs of Li-ion batteries each would save more energy from our transportation network than 2-million cars with 1000lbs of Li-ion batteries each. ------ At this point. Elon is incredibly anti-progress. He's switched into fighting against alternatives and is diminishing progress on legitimate strategies (both H2 and PHEVs) because he wants to hold onto his market advantage.
- Retric 5y ago
  That often results in the pendulum swinging in the other direction. Aka Trump would have had a much harder time after Bush than he did after Obama would have had a harder time after Clinton than he did after Bush etc.
- vmception 5y ago
  I mean, it works, kind of scary when you modify the firmware of society and society actually goes along with your fake ideology when you personally believe something less extreme, but its nice when you can just leave.
- draw_down 5y ago
  Hasn’t he been the richest man in the world at times? Why are we calling him a “populist”?
ceejayoz 5y ago
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)
ars 5y ago
There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game. There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.
- ollien 5y ago
  Given the game is right next to your speedometer, I can very easily see someone getting distracted by the moving flashy game next to it.
- literallyWTF 5y ago
  I spent like 5 minutes trying to phrase my thoughts into words but I kept coming back to: “are you fucking serious?”
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- beachy 5y ago
  By that logic, why not allow movies/video, ads as well while driving?
  - ghaff 5y ago
    Imagine if Tesla made you a deal. We'll give you $1000/year if you let us display ads on your center console. Leaving aside how dystopian that would be, can you imagine that even remotely passing muster from a safety perspective? Yes, drivers have lots of distractions. Some of which are unavoidable, some of which are generally considered acceptable (conversations that don't require taking hands off the wheel or eyes materially off the road), and some of which like texting which are totally on them. But that doesn't mean we should add more features that are just crying out to distract drivers further--especially given that every passenger absolutely has their own screen to play games or watch videos in their pockets.
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FridayoLeary 5y ago
I don't get this. What's so incredibly outrageous about enabling a game to be played while driving? Why on earth would Elon give two hoots wether or not his games are being played while driving? I think tesla just decided that disabling the game feature while the car is in motion is not necessary because why can't the passenger play. There's nothing outrageous about Tersla not nannying the driver. Anyway, there are infinite ways a driver can distract himself just using the touchscreen alone.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  This is a known tactic by alarmists, create an emotional reaction that doesn't match reality. Double down on that alternative reality. Seems to happen on all Tesla related news, people get so worked up about him.
errcorrectcode 5y ago
It's also how to get an R rating for a Hollywood movie including porn: make it absurdly hardcore and then edit it back. Opener negotiation tactic.

hef19898 5y ago

Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.

dragontamer 5y ago
> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to his game: Musk carefully SEO's his words and public image to make the internet itself forget about these claims. Only people who actually rely upon their own personal memories (ie: the Battery Swap demo from 2013) can pull this information out. Otherwise, they're fogotten. ---- In any case, this video-games while driving thing is just more of the 2016 claim of "coast to coast full self driving by 2018". He hasn't delivered upon the promise and needs to muck up the waters even more on the subject. https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-drive-coast-to-coast-by-2018 https://futurism.com/elon-musk-teslas-autonomous-car-will-dr... > [Elon] said that the coast-to-coast test is still on track to take place at the end of the year, and that all Tesla cars built since October 2016 would be updated. The plan, announced in a Ted Talk last month, is to “go all the way from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York with no controls touched in the entire journey.”
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of talent. Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    > Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them. No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California. We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for. So I'm going to keep pointing them out.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      I will accept some lies for desperately needed progress. And, as you mention, lying works. Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Definitely not where we are today. Legacy automakers are still making half hearted efforts at electrifying transportation while Tesla increases production 100% YoY. Legacy auto would’ve made no effort without Tesla coming at them hard, versus the little bit of effort they show today. Are you willing to sacrifice morally or ethically if the change needed to mitigate climate change is going to require some less than total honesty? Consider we, again, as you mention, live in a post truth world. One must adapt to the operating environment to increases chances of success.
      - dragontamer 5y ago
        > Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Hydrogen Fuel Cells and probably more widespread PHEVs. Which would have been a superior future than where we are today. 10-million cars with 200lbs of Li-ion batteries each would save more energy from our transportation network than 2-million cars with 1000lbs of Li-ion batteries each. ------ At this point. Elon is incredibly anti-progress. He's switched into fighting against alternatives and is diminishing progress on legitimate strategies (both H2 and PHEVs) because he wants to hold onto his market advantage.
Retric 5y ago
That often results in the pendulum swinging in the other direction. Aka Trump would have had a much harder time after Bush than he did after Obama would have had a harder time after Clinton than he did after Bush etc.
vmception 5y ago
I mean, it works, kind of scary when you modify the firmware of society and society actually goes along with your fake ideology when you personally believe something less extreme, but its nice when you can just leave.
draw_down 5y ago
Hasn’t he been the richest man in the world at times? Why are we calling him a “populist”?

ceejayoz 5y ago

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window)

ars 5y ago

There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game. There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.

ollien 5y ago
Given the game is right next to your speedometer, I can very easily see someone getting distracted by the moving flashy game next to it.
literallyWTF 5y ago
I spent like 5 minutes trying to phrase my thoughts into words but I kept coming back to: “are you fucking serious?”
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beachy 5y ago
By that logic, why not allow movies/video, ads as well while driving?
- ghaff 5y ago
  Imagine if Tesla made you a deal. We'll give you $1000/year if you let us display ads on your center console. Leaving aside how dystopian that would be, can you imagine that even remotely passing muster from a safety perspective? Yes, drivers have lots of distractions. Some of which are unavoidable, some of which are generally considered acceptable (conversations that don't require taking hands off the wheel or eyes materially off the road), and some of which like texting which are totally on them. But that doesn't mean we should add more features that are just crying out to distract drivers further--especially given that every passenger absolutely has their own screen to play games or watch videos in their pockets.
- 5y ago

FridayoLeary 5y ago

I don't get this. What's so incredibly outrageous about enabling a game to be played while driving? Why on earth would Elon give two hoots wether or not his games are being played while driving? I think tesla just decided that disabling the game feature while the car is in motion is not necessary because why can't the passenger play. There's nothing outrageous about Tersla not nannying the driver. Anyway, there are infinite ways a driver can distract himself just using the touchscreen alone.

hunterb123 5y ago
This is a known tactic by alarmists, create an emotional reaction that doesn't match reality. Double down on that alternative reality. Seems to happen on all Tesla related news, people get so worked up about him.

errcorrectcode 5y ago

It's also how to get an R rating for a Hollywood movie including porn: make it absurdly hardcore and then edit it back. Opener negotiation tactic.