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Well a journalist -a US citizen- (Jamal Khashoggi) was killed in a foreign (Saudi) embassy; evidence (including, Audio evidence) was presented of the killing an

• tc313 5y ago
  Not to notpick, but while Khashoggi was a US resident, he was not a US citizen.
  • jaywalk 5y ago
    That's not a nitpick, it's a very important point. It doesn't justify the killing in any way, but it does shed some light on why the US response was what it was.
• finiteseries 5y ago
  A “US journalist” whose grandfather was the personal physician to the house of Saudi’s founder, whose billionaire arms dealing uncle was involved in Iran Contra, whose first cousin was in that car with Princess Diana… He was hilariously Saudi!
  • birdyrooster 5y ago
    Hilarious is a strange adjective to use. So to you a person is defined largely by their extended family.
  • tootie 5y ago
    His billionaire uncle Adnan also sold a yacht to Donald Trump.
  • driverdan 5y ago
    How is that relevant?
    • finiteseries 5y ago
      Because most people genuinely aren’t aware of this, and labor under the impression a US citizen/journalist was randomly butchered by the powers of evil. An immensely wealthy, heavily connected Saudi political actor got taken out by a new Saudi ruler asserting himself. I am personally not okay with foreign nobles attempting to hide behind the same label as eg Assange, it’s fucking absurd.
  • erie 5y ago
    A “US journalist” who was a friend of Bin Laden, and worked with many Saudi royal family members from head of Intelligence Agency, Al Faisal to billionaire Al Waleed Bin Tallal "He also served with the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Agency, and possibly worked with the United States, during the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan." Wikipedia https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/from-travels-with-bin-laden-to-sparring-with-princes-jamal-khashoggis-provocative-journey/2018/10/07/c1290f28-ca3d-11e8-ad0a-0e01efba3cc1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/from-travels-with-bin-l...
• 1cvmask 5y ago
  And Obama has killed and droned US citizens who were journalists and even his US citizen children with a great Orwellian response by the White House spokesman. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-tea...
  • iriri8 5y ago
    Don’t see anyone here putting their agency into hunting, growing their own food to move, to wind down the military industrial complex their technology careers are tethered to grifting on. PG’s four quadrants of conformism is stupid because everyone is a political conformist in the end. That’s the perimeter of our society. Annotating them with types a billionaire preferences is creepy grooming by a white old guy.
  • nverno 5y ago
    It doesn't say anything about them being journalists, but instead that the guy was an 'operational' al-Qaeda target, and his kid an innocent victim. How is this an attack on free press?
• pydry 5y ago
  Killing Khashoggi definitely cooled the US's relationship with Saudi Arabia - a relationship they are critically reliant upon. I would be surprised if bin Salman didn't regret his decision.
• pandaman 5y ago
  Unless there was some other Jamal Khashoggi killed in a Saudi embassy, he was not a US citizen. Judging by the Tim Kaine's letter [1], he was not even a permanent resident of the US but a temporary worker on O-1 visa. 1. https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/connolly-kaine-lead-letter-urging-president-trump-to-raise-jamal-khashoggis-disappearance-with-the-governments-of-saudi-arabia-and-turkey https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/connolly-kaine-l...