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I wasn't asking about what you think of it as an objective, but whether you think it is possible. Furthermore, when being considered as an objective, whether it

I wasn't asking about what you think of it as an objective, but whether you think it is possible. Furthermore, when being considered as an objective, whether it is done by anyone's definition of AI seems utterly beside your point. Neither the feasibility of automating the pilot's job, nor whether it is desirable to do so, depends on whether 1st. generation autopilots are considered to be AI.

dr_dshiv 5y ago
Fully automated commercial flight is impossible. There, I’ve said it.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  I think so too - but it is inconceivable to me that this could be accomplished without feedback mechanisms or processes, which would, by your definition, qualify it as AI.
- mannykannot 5y ago
  Duh! I see that I completely misread your last post, which was quite a mistake, given that it is just two sentences of only ten words! If your basis for so believing is the same as you expressed a couple of posts back - that "fully automated" means that there is no possibility of human control, because if there is human control / supervision, the system is not fully automated - then you are simply avoiding the issue by using a pedantic definition of automation. It would seem that, to you, full automation of anything is a logical impossibility as there is no such thing as automation (in the usual sense) in your dictionary. If this is your argument then, by your definition, even the task of governing the speed of a steam engine cannot be fully automated, as someone sets the desired speed. This sort of reasoning is not insightful; it merely turns your participation in a discussion into a statement of your private lexicon, and avoids engaging any substantive issue. Private lexicons are not useful in communication! Furthermore, I can respond to your pedanticism by rephrasing the question: do you think it is impossible that commercial aviation could ever operate without human pilots either aboard the airplanes or controlling their flight remotely, beyond just setting target routes and schedules?
  - dr_dshiv 5y ago
    Any commercial aviation? I mean, google’s project wing involved drones delivering packages.
    - mannykannot 5y ago
      I do not think that is a particularly interesting category in this context, even though it might present somewhat difficult challenges with regard to collision avoidance and scheduling (if we ever get to that point, "drone pollution" will probably become an issue.) I think it is fair to say that, in the context of the article we are all responding to, the relevant sector of commercial aviation is that which currently uses airplanes flown by human pilots.

dr_dshiv 5y ago

Fully automated commercial flight is impossible. There, I’ve said it.

mannykannot 5y ago
I think so too - but it is inconceivable to me that this could be accomplished without feedback mechanisms or processes, which would, by your definition, qualify it as AI.
mannykannot 5y ago
Duh! I see that I completely misread your last post, which was quite a mistake, given that it is just two sentences of only ten words! If your basis for so believing is the same as you expressed a couple of posts back - that "fully automated" means that there is no possibility of human control, because if there is human control / supervision, the system is not fully automated - then you are simply avoiding the issue by using a pedantic definition of automation. It would seem that, to you, full automation of anything is a logical impossibility as there is no such thing as automation (in the usual sense) in your dictionary. If this is your argument then, by your definition, even the task of governing the speed of a steam engine cannot be fully automated, as someone sets the desired speed. This sort of reasoning is not insightful; it merely turns your participation in a discussion into a statement of your private lexicon, and avoids engaging any substantive issue. Private lexicons are not useful in communication! Furthermore, I can respond to your pedanticism by rephrasing the question: do you think it is impossible that commercial aviation could ever operate without human pilots either aboard the airplanes or controlling their flight remotely, beyond just setting target routes and schedules?
- dr_dshiv 5y ago
  Any commercial aviation? I mean, google’s project wing involved drones delivering packages.
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    I do not think that is a particularly interesting category in this context, even though it might present somewhat difficult challenges with regard to collision avoidance and scheduling (if we ever get to that point, "drone pollution" will probably become an issue.) I think it is fair to say that, in the context of the article we are all responding to, the relevant sector of commercial aviation is that which currently uses airplanes flown by human pilots.