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> Am I the only one who launches YouTube just to watch a single tutorial and ends up devouring dozens of fine-tuned recommendations? I'm hitting 40 next week,

• DavidCole1 5y ago
  It's not only you. I feel the same. Whenever I stumble upon a video for a programming related tutorial ( mostly AWS ), I want a text copy by the side so that I can get what I want and move on. Maybe Youtube should give ability to "seek to" on its autogenerated subtitles in the sidebar. I would find it useful at least.
• scrollaway 5y ago
  People learn in different ways.
  • bena 5y ago
    This has been shown to be not true many times over. Different subjects need to be taught in different ways, but there are optimal ways to present information that works for everyone. No one is a "visual learner", there are topics that are best presented in a visual format.
    • endisneigh 5y ago
      Where’s this list of the so called optimal ways to present information that works for everyone?
      • rincewind 5y ago
        No, it's not about the "optimal way", it's about the oft-cited the factoid "90% of people are haptic learners, 30% are visual learners, 15% are auditory learners, 25% are text-based learners". Somebody did an experiment and found out 90% of subjects remembered something later when they had to learn to do it, but only 25% remembered when they had to read it. (All numbers made up, does not matter in the context of this comment) Of course, this completely misrepresents the experiment! After learning to do something, you are 90% likely to retain it for a certain duration, after you read about it, you are only 25% likely to retain it, so in aggregate you only retain 25% of what you read. The idea was never to find people who are "visual learning type" or the "non-learning-by-doing type". That's what became of this idea in education through the game of telephone that mangles experimental results on their way from developmental psychology and cognitive science into education departments, and then into future high school teachers during undergrad lectures. Even my own high school teachers in Germany talked about learning types as if there was such a thing.
      • bena 5y ago
        Sorry if I was unclear. There is no singular optimal way of teaching. But for every subject, there is an optimal way to teach it. And usually that optimal way is a combination of visuals, auditory, reading, etc. Way too often, someone achieves understanding when information happens to be presented in an optimal way for that information and they instead believe that the way was optimized for them rather than for the information. Then they get stuck on "I need to watch videos to truly understand it".
        • endisneigh 5y ago
          Ok, where’s the list of the optimal way to teach every subject?
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  • fer 5y ago
    Video is great for many things, but step by step instructions/tutorials ain't one of them.
    • wingerlang 5y ago
      I disagree. It is great because you can actually see where the steps are performed. It's sometimes faster than reading a bullet point than finding out where on the screen it is. And I did NOT grow up on videos, I just think they're neat. Of course, there are times when I dislike them too. It's not always black and white.
      • KineticLensman 5y ago
        > you can actually see where the steps are performed. It's sometimes faster than reading a bullet point than finding out where on the screen it is If and only if the steps are performed in the correct order without any fluffs. In one particularly bad example that I saw someone was showing how to use an updated feature in Photoshop. The sequence went something like * the instructor showed the old way of doing things * they then did 'undo' a few times to get back to the point where the new feature was different * they started showing the new way * they then realised they'd made a mistake earlier on - missing out a step in the new sequence * they did undo a few times * they did the step they'd omitted * they then carried on from that point I had to watch several times to work out the actual sequence of correct operations. To my mind they should have re-recorded from the beginning rather than show their disrespect for the viewers.
        • wingerlang 5y ago
          There are very badly written articles as well though.
          • xboxnolifes 5y ago
            Yeah, but I can also usually tell an article is bad in a 15 second skim. Videos aren't always so generous.
• slig 5y ago
  Have you seen Ben Eater's videos?
  • bittercynic 5y ago
    I love his videos, but not because they efficiently present tutorial content. He's an amazing teacher because he demonstrates an attitude/approach to learning that would be difficult to convey through text.
  • thorin 5y ago
    Wow, this guy makes me a bit sad, because I did a 4 year Elec Eng degree and the guy that taught semi conductors was so bad. Almost everyone failed the exam because they had no idea what he was talking about (lots of the other modules were good). I (re)learnt more from watching a few of these videos than I did in a semester at university.
    • Tempest1981 5y ago
      Are there any websites/services that curate the best videos on specific school topics? With broader coverage than Khan Academy? Searching on YouTube find thousands of matches, and I am exhausted after 20 minutes of previewing search results.
    • thorin 5y ago
      I looked at my department website, it's 25+ years since I started uni and the 2 lecturers I had the most trouble learning from are still there. One is had of department! He was a good guy, I just didn't "get it", but the other one was awful at teaching. He did have amazing credentials from Stanford and another top tier uni in the States before coming over to the UK. Teaching was never a priority at that uni!
• FearlessNebula 5y ago
  Once I got a job as a software dev I quickly started preferring text based tutorials and docs. As a student I would always hunt down the “best” tutorial video for a given topic.
• spaceisballer 5y ago
  I’m in the same boat as you but I just don’t consume YouTube at all. Sure I’ve looked up repair things or a tutorial if it’s less than 10 minutes. I have to have something specific to watch I don’t just keep watching related videos. Watch a movie trailer I wanted to see, then peace out. Maybe it’s partially an age thing or perhaps just some people get that dopamine release easier from YouTube. I will say the exception is that I have spent time watching videos of people building things as long as it doesn’t have narration or hot takes from the people. I guess in general I can’t get behind any of the standard issue YouTuber speak and mannerisms, it’s all very similar (at least that’s how I feel with the popular videos).
• nathias 5y ago
  text is for learning, video is for entertainment, the problem is that people are confused about what they are doing
  • throwaway946513 5y ago
    Yet I've found video lectures and documentaries enlightening as well as a method to teach me something I did not know. I'd also think that fiction novels are more entertaining than 'educational'.
  • psychomugs 5y ago
    This statement is reductive - either medium can be for learning or entertainment, it’s a matter of content and audience.
• titzer 5y ago
  This is true for certain kinds of tasks, particularly programming or anything very instruction-oriented. However, for practical tasks, like installing a bathroom faucet, a short and succint video is gold. Now that YouTube has chapter labels, it's even better. That said, YouTube is clearly going downhill for a host of other reasons, but hands-on tutorials remain one of its best forms of content.
  • rjsw 5y ago
    I recently watched some good videos on making sushi, wouldn't watch any programming ones though.
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• aulin 5y ago
  I believe it's a generational thing. We, in our late thirties, didn't have so much video content, we studied from books, learned from written content. Younger generations adapted to use videos as a learning aid, sometimes as the main learning platform. We won't ever be able to understand how they work. Their brain just adapted to this kind of learning medium. For me video talking about code is slow, unsearchable, unskimmable. I cannot easily go back to more difficult parts and reread (watch) them at my own pace. I cannot use them as a quick reference. Even my photographic memory doesn't work with videos, there's just something more powerful with black on white words and formulas. Also completely agree about youtuber credibility. Being easy going, with good lighting, nice looks and neat surroundings makes them sound authoritative on the subject they talk about, especially to the newcomer ears, without any real backing.
  • typicalbender 5y ago
    Early 30s here. Possibly to your point and completely anecdotally, I generally have a much harder time learning via text than I do from a more kinetic learning environment or watching a video... but I wish it was the other way around. All of the benefits described above for why text is better I totally agree and I get generally frustrated trying to find the relevant part of the video but for whatever reason seeing the thing I am trying to learn visually demonstrated is immensely more powerful that reading it. I actually have a pet hypothesis that it has something to do with imagination. I'd be curious if anyone has studied the effects of visual media on imagination and how it impacts kids ability to take written content and understanding it versus the same with visual content. I have a suspicion that before the prevalence of visual media it was even more critical to have an active imagination to be able to synthesis written content and that we've lost a bit of that in younger generations as we've moved toward a reliance on visual learning. I have nothing to back any of this up of course just something i've thought about when reflecting on myself.
    • yonaguska 5y ago
      I've recently tried to get back into making art. I had a very active imagination as a child and would draw for hours on end. Now the inspiration isn't there and I have a hard time just visualizing scenes or landscapes.
• abacadaba 5y ago
  really annoying, pretty sure because they incentivize watch time
• allenu 5y ago
  I’m old too (43) and I enjoy short videos that get to the point as well. If a video is too long or takes too long I’ll just skip ahead and until I hear them talking about specifics. There was a point a few years ago where there was this sudden shift to longer videos on YouTube. I think part of it was greater engagement is seen on such videos, leading to more ad time. As a result though, the actual quality of the content is down but I would say the “showmanship” is up. In a longer video, you have to be good at delivery and keeping people interested, so it starts to favor entertaining speakers. So now people watch videos for a large part because they want to “hang out” with the presenter. Also, Twitch is essentially just hanging out with someone. Anyway, now I’m just rambling like an old man.
  • sys_64738 5y ago
    Agree. If a video on how to tighten a bolt or change gas in a mower is 36 mins long then that's a total waste. I don't want to hear somebody's rambling life story if I'm trying to directly find info. Short and sharp videos get more view from me. I agree also that Twitch is a waste of time. Never understood the utility of watching somebody doing some task.
  • Plasmoid 5y ago
    Youtube changed their advertising rules such that videos of less than 10 minutes didn't get ads so everyone padded their videos to be at least 10 minutes long. They also prioritize watch time as a metric (and a payout stream for Youtube Red)
• kgwxd 5y ago
  There's definitely a ton of low quality videos doing things that might be better presented in text, the worst examples being videos of text. They're easy to make and YT makes it easy to monetize them so people make them without caring how practical it is, and people watch them for various reason. I've utilized a few myself (42, I think), and it's usually because it's the first thing I found and I'm a complete beginner, so anything will help point me in some reasonable direction. I've even specifically watch "programming a microcontroller" and "making a gradient in Gimp" videos. I have very little experience in those things and, even if the presenter is just going through the steps, there's visual hints that help me navigate the intimidating interfaces those things come with. If I need text for future reference, I can usually find it in a matter of seconds. Maybe even easier than before if I've learned a few new keywords from the video. As far as the "more authoritative" thing, that can only be solved in the viewers mind. Learning to control that bias is good for life in general anyway.
• bodge5000 5y ago
  I think for me it depends. Video's are better if I'm completely out of my depth or its a big project or its something thats new to me. Text can skim over small but important details, videos usually don't (obviously they can edited out, but thats an active process of removing it, rather than a passive process of just not adding it). But if its something I know a decent amount about, I'll always go with text. Where it gets a bit more interesting is that middle ground. Usually I prefer text in theory, but a lot of the articles written about it are filled with as much fluff as videos, but then you also have cookie popups, ads, location and notification requests, ect... which can make videos sometimes faster, sometimes slower. I'm in my mid 20's so I don't know if its a generational thing, I might be just an outlier but I couldn't say for sure.
• bighoss97 5y ago
  I'm 19 and I agree with you. For most things, text content is the best way to learn.
• polishdude20 5y ago
  I'm in my late 20's and practically grew up with YouTube. I can't stand watching tutorial videos for anything technical. The content is not searchable and not even close to as fast as text.
• jcun4128 5y ago
  What's annoying are those tutorials like on OpenCV that just repeat the steps outlined in the manual. We're going to apply a mask to find the red cup, ball, etc... I made a personal chrome extension that hides the YT content you first see to stop hijacking my original intent of coming to YT. I still like YT though, watching Ben Heck's videos or random Japanese fishing/cooking shows.
• eloisius 5y ago
  I feel the same logically. I’ll be 35 in a couple weeks and I’m also an avid text fan, but lately I’ve noticed that I shift to video searches for things a lot faster. I thought about it a little, and I think that maybe I’ve started doing that because text search is a mess today. SEO has won on text search, but it takes a lot of effort to produce a good video. I can often find a good video for some things faster than I can hunt down a good text overview or tutorial. Then of course, I’m often more interested in the text included in the description because it will point to what I need in more detail.
• lambic 5y ago
  I'm older than you and I definitely prefer text for programming related tutorials but I'll jump straight to videos for more practical things. Reading a recipe is fine for a lot of cooking, but some things like "How to spatchcock a chicken" benefit greatly from a video demonstration. Similarly I took up knitting a while ago, and watching videos was the only way I could learn the techniques, trying to do it from written instructions was impossible.
• dncornholio 5y ago
  Always text over video. When people say they prefer video, they don't know better, haven't actually been learning anything or are extremely lazy. For example, to do a gradient in Gimp, you should know a few shortcode keys. Now how do I look up which key to use again? Load the video and keep fiddling with the player until I hit the right moment where he explains this little detail? It's extremely annoying to look up anything in a video. You also waste a shitload of time because you can't just skim through all the stuff you already know. Video tutorials are only popular because Google boosts Youtube videos over text in search. The creators don't care that it's a bad medium for you, because it's an excellent medium for them. Way more revenue to gain from a Youtube video then some blogpost
  • aeternum 5y ago
    For things like fixing a car part or home repair video is much better than text. There's nothing like watching someone do it, quickly seeing the exact location of things and how they should be moved.
    • avgDev 5y ago
      This isn't true. Once you know cars enough, the same thing applies to car repair. I just need the torque specs for the bolts, I don't need or want to watch a whole video.
      • aeternum 5y ago
        Most people aren't car experts
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        • thekevjames 5y ago
          Most people aren't software engineers, either.
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• kurthr 5y ago
  For mechanical stuff (dis/reasembling equipment) it makes some sense, because diagrams are never as good as an HD video at showing where that screw hole is or how to pop off a clip. At the same time, I can't watch most of those videos at less than 1.5x! Often, the first google hit on "how to do X" is a video when, as you say, a bulleted list would be easier to follow. Maybe ads are better monetized on video so the incentive is only to create that content?
• handrous 5y ago
  Every now and then I find a video tutorial for some computer thing very helpful—specifically, the kind where someone does something beginning to end with a screencast—simply because every single damn text tutorial was skipping one or more steps or pieces of context that I guess they thought were too obvious to mention. This is usually for set-up or config stuff, though. For programming I agree that videos are almost universally painful to watch and low-value. I can't begin to understand people who head straight for YouTube when picking up e.g. a new programming language or library(!). However, for cooking technique and building/home-repair/car-repair, videos are a game changer. Simply amazing. Actually, that goes for sports stuff, too. I find reading about all those things nearly worthless, and watching someone do it while explaining, a much better use of my time.
  • NoPicklez 5y ago
    For me it depends on my mood. If I am in a rush and I quickly need to find how to do something, it can be hard to find Youtubers who are concise. But other times I want to hear everything there is to know about the process. As a good example, across the PC building space, there are two Youtubers who actually refer to each other both Gamers Nexus and JayzTwoCents. In Jayz videos he knows he provides a summary so will refer you to GN for more in-depth detailed content.
  • tmm84 5y ago
    I 100% agree that for repairing stuff and sports related topics that videos help a lot. When I used to work on my car it was helpful to see how things were typically done and then when I read the repair manual it filled in the gaps of knowledge because I knew the way it is usually done. When I was doing a lot of power lifting it was really helpful to learn from video how to do lifts safely and correctly. Then as I went from lifting to cycling and eventually to endurance running it provided me a way of learning good form by watching a real human explain and demonstrate instead of just imitating what I see in real life. Sometimes though technological tutorials/videos end up being this 80% junk to 20% treasure ratio for me. However, that 20% is stuff I have watched very intently and actually learned something.
• anthony_romeo 5y ago
  Video tutorials for great for introductions to new subjects of study (at least for me) — they can help provide a good intuition for complicated subjects. At the very least, there are plenty of lectures one can watch and follow along with a textbook. It’s never a replacement for reading a great manual for getting into the details or real one-on-one training or real documentation, but [good quality] video is still a great supplemental tool for learning.
• yelling_cat 5y ago
  > Also, the video, at least to me, makes the person doing the tutorial to be seen as "more authoritative" than through text, even if you can tell the person talking has little experience with microcontrollers (or whatever, if you have experience in the field). And with the dislike count gone we've lost the only way to tell at a glance if a tutorial is worth spending time on. Good luck finding a thoughtful critique in the comments.
• fikama 5y ago
  I am a teen and I feel about it exactly like you, so it's not you getting old.
• lifeplusplus 5y ago
  for many things i prefer <2 min videos over text. I.e. how to create a graph in excel. Video would go like click here, here and then here. Article would go like first press ctrl+L then next to this, below that, your version may be different, click the button, then you will see xyz, on bottom right select this, .......
• burnished 5y ago
  Video tutorials are great for when the thing being interacted with is a user interface. They suck when they are just narration. People talk too slow. They become great again when the video is stuffed with visual information and you kick the speed up to 1.5x. I say this as some one who hates video being the default information channel. Although to be fair I don't think it's just you getting old. Maybe the number of examples you need to see to classify something new goes down as you get older, but it's not like there aren't an endless stream of videos that could be short paragraphs of explanatory text (or 30 second clips instead of ten minutes of 'hey it's ya booooi SaladStreams here to hit YOU with the latest windows 10 tips!!!')
• jl2718 5y ago
  YouTube is the best place for instruction because everything in text now is just marketing. YouTube gives creators a way to profit from genuinely useful content, even if it’s not the best medium for it.
• xnx 5y ago
  This is one of the reasons Tiktok growth is exploding. Like Twitter, it forces creators to apply some editing and think about what really needs to be in their video. Contrast this to YouTube which incentivizes stretching a 15 second idea into a 10 minute waste of time.