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I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but th

I'm sorry but that is a absolute statement, verging on propaganda. Of course they protect their people. For example there is significant crime in Russia, but the Russian government fields a police force that enforces the laws of Russia, jailing murderers, thieves, etc [0]. Of course there is corruption, of course some are above the law (but then is true the world over), and you need to play by the local rules, but that is not an absence of protection, although it may not be on par with what you might expect somewhere else. You also have to remember that the justification for the Russian invasion of Crimea was to protect the minority Russian population living in Crimea. So clearly the idea that the Russian government protects Russians is believed to be true within the state of Russia to the point where that idea can be exploited to justify military expansionism. We really need to get past the 'good guy' / 'bad guy' version of politics, the whole world is a shade of grey. [0] https://www.statista.com/topics/5509/crime-in-russia/#dossierKeyfigures https://www.statista.com/topics/5509/crime-in-russia/#dossie...

bvrmn 5y ago
I'm russian by the way. And we can get arrested for single like in social media. Please don't tell me about propaganda.
- RansomStark 5y ago
  I've not see anyone in the UK arrested for a like, but there are enough examples of people arrested for a single tweet, or retweet [0][1][2]. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir-captain-tom-moore-tweet/ https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrests-police-racism-b1884549.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrest... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-...
  - bvrmn 5y ago
    Russians don't have an option to pay fee to be free. Our usual term for "incorrect" speech is starting from 3 years.
    - RansomStark 5y ago
      > Russians don't have an option to pay fee to be free I'm not sure what you mean here, I assume you are referring to fines, as the UK doesn't have a paid bond, a fine is not a fee, it is a punishment. Fines are also a punishment in Russia so the idea should not be entirely alien to you. Here is a link that details the Russian Federations punishments for financial crimes, lost of fines in that area of Russian law [0]. Like I said in my original post, you have to abide by the local rules. The Russian government viewing a like as a prohibited political speech and the associated punishment would be following the local rules. [0] https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-019-7324?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true#co_anchor_a321502 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-019-7324?transi...
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- gdy 5y ago
  "And we can get arrested for single like in social media." [Citation needed]
bvrmn 5y ago
> You also have to remember that the justification for the Russian invasion of Crimea was to protect the minority Russian population living in Crimea. The only justification was to get votes in future president elections. We call this phenomenon "Crimea consensus". Current Crimea population have no access to online financial instruments (including totally Russian banking systems) and this summer was a huge crisis with drinkable water. Russian government did nothing. You known nothing Ransom Stark.
- RansomStark 5y ago
  > The only justification was to get votes in future president elections. That is not a justification. It might have been the reason for the expansion, but it wasn't the justification. You might have some better Russian sources but here is an annotated speech by Putin on the subject of Crimea [0]. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26652058 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26652058
- gdy 5y ago
  "this summer was a huge crisis with drinkable water" Why didn't you say that the crisis was created by spiteful Ukraine resenting that Crimean people are mostly pro-Russian? Has Ukraine recognized that Crimeans are Russian citizens or is it punishing people that it still considers Ukrainian citizens? "Russian government did nothing." [Citation needed]
bvrmn 5y ago
It's calculated that around 500 people is under arrest in Russia for political reasons. The only thing they did was to express disagreement with current policy.
- RansomStark 5y ago
  I'll agree 500 is a lot, but you will find political prisoners all over the world, here is a list of US political prisoners from 2018 [0]. [0] https://afgj.org/politicalprisonersusa https://afgj.org/politicalprisonersusa
- gdy 5y ago
  You could say 500000 just as well. Where is the list?

bvrmn 5y ago

I'm russian by the way. And we can get arrested for single like in social media. Please don't tell me about propaganda.

RansomStark 5y ago
I've not see anyone in the UK arrested for a like, but there are enough examples of people arrested for a single tweet, or retweet [0][1][2]. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir-captain-tom-moore-tweet/ https://nypost.com/2021/02/08/man-arrested-for-offensive-sir... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrests-police-racism-b1884549.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/euro-2020-arrest... [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-in-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-for-offensive-...
- bvrmn 5y ago
  Russians don't have an option to pay fee to be free. Our usual term for "incorrect" speech is starting from 3 years.
  - RansomStark 5y ago
    > Russians don't have an option to pay fee to be free I'm not sure what you mean here, I assume you are referring to fines, as the UK doesn't have a paid bond, a fine is not a fee, it is a punishment. Fines are also a punishment in Russia so the idea should not be entirely alien to you. Here is a link that details the Russian Federations punishments for financial crimes, lost of fines in that area of Russian law [0]. Like I said in my original post, you have to abide by the local rules. The Russian government viewing a like as a prohibited political speech and the associated punishment would be following the local rules. [0] https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-019-7324?transitionType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true#co_anchor_a321502 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-019-7324?transi...
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gdy 5y ago
"And we can get arrested for single like in social media." [Citation needed]

bvrmn 5y ago

> You also have to remember that the justification for the Russian invasion of Crimea was to protect the minority Russian population living in Crimea. The only justification was to get votes in future president elections. We call this phenomenon "Crimea consensus". Current Crimea population have no access to online financial instruments (including totally Russian banking systems) and this summer was a huge crisis with drinkable water. Russian government did nothing. You known nothing Ransom Stark.

RansomStark 5y ago
> The only justification was to get votes in future president elections. That is not a justification. It might have been the reason for the expansion, but it wasn't the justification. You might have some better Russian sources but here is an annotated speech by Putin on the subject of Crimea [0]. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26652058 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26652058
gdy 5y ago
"this summer was a huge crisis with drinkable water" Why didn't you say that the crisis was created by spiteful Ukraine resenting that Crimean people are mostly pro-Russian? Has Ukraine recognized that Crimeans are Russian citizens or is it punishing people that it still considers Ukrainian citizens? "Russian government did nothing." [Citation needed]

bvrmn 5y ago

It's calculated that around 500 people is under arrest in Russia for political reasons. The only thing they did was to express disagreement with current policy.

RansomStark 5y ago
I'll agree 500 is a lot, but you will find political prisoners all over the world, here is a list of US political prisoners from 2018 [0]. [0] https://afgj.org/politicalprisonersusa https://afgj.org/politicalprisonersusa
gdy 5y ago
You could say 500000 just as well. Where is the list?