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I think you're being sarcastic, but I'm not totally sure.

staticassertion 5y ago
I'm honestly not. Desktop platforms like Windows are incredibly niche. How much rust software actually runs on those? Some, of course. But probably an incredible minority. Supporting them is smart because people expect it, and not supporting it would be bad optics, but if a language legitimately only targeted Linux, and was better for it, I'd be fine with that - they target the most popular OS by far.
- jsty 5y ago
  > How much rust software actually runs on those? Some of rust's most well-known and widely distributed success stories for a start - Firefox & Dropbox
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    Yeah, obviously. It would be stupid to not support Windows in order for rust to be a healthy language. But I wouldn't care at all, and the vast majority of code - not just the code written, but in terms of it being deployed to N systems - will be Linux.
- steveklabnik 5y ago
  I am a Windows user, so all of the Rust software I use runs on it. And that’s virtually all Rust software. Sometimes you need a small patch or two because someone did something weird with path handling, but 99.99% of it Just Works. Apparently we haven't published platform statistics since 2019, but according to that years' survey: https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2020-03-RustSurvey/32-what-platform-developing-on.svg https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2020-03-RustSurvey/32-what... * 55% of Rust users develop on Linux * 24% develop on Windows * 23% develop on macOS So yeah Linux was the most popular, but dropping effectively half of your users isn't always a great idea. Of course, some people will build OS-specific software in Rust, and that's great! But it is a tradeoff you're making.
  - seg_lol 5y ago
    Neat! Thanks for admitting you use Windows. Perhaps MS could pay for crater runs on Windows? Are crater runs done on Windows now? Looks like yes, https://github.com/rust-lang/crater/blob/master/docs/agent-machine-setup-windows.md https://github.com/rust-lang/crater/blob/master/docs/agent-m...
    - steveklabnik 5y ago
      Not just that, but like, https://github.com/microsoft/windows-rs https://github.com/microsoft/windows-rs. Microsoft is a member of the Rust Foundation. etc etc.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    I'm only saying it's a tradeoff. Obviously given Rust's origins and goals dropping desktop as a target would make no sense - it was designed explicitly for those platforms. But if a language said "we're not going to support those" I wouldn't care at all, and a massive number of use cases - the majority, I think - would be solved with that language. In terms of what you develop on, that's a whole other story. The majority, of course, are on Linux. But I'd be interested to know what platform they target.
    - saghm 5y ago
      > In terms of what you develop on, that's a whole other story. The majority, of course, are on Linux I'm not sure that's as obvious as you're making it sound. The number of people who use Linux on the desktop is absolutely minuscule compared to the combined user base of Windows and MacOS. It's probably not as lopsided for developers, but I've never seen anything to imply that most developers in general are on Linux, and I'd honestly be surprised if that's the case given how much smaller the portion is in terms of people I know or have worked with, and that's as someone who does not personally own any laptop or desktop that runs anything other than Linux.
      - staticassertion 5y ago

I'm honestly not. Desktop platforms like Windows are incredibly niche. How much rust software actually runs on those? Some, of course. But probably an incredible minority. Supporting them is smart because people expect it, and not supporting it would be bad optics, but if a language legitimately only targeted Linux, and was better for it, I'd be fine with that - they target the most popular OS by far.

jsty 5y ago
> How much rust software actually runs on those? Some of rust's most well-known and widely distributed success stories for a start - Firefox & Dropbox
- staticassertion 5y ago
  Yeah, obviously. It would be stupid to not support Windows in order for rust to be a healthy language. But I wouldn't care at all, and the vast majority of code - not just the code written, but in terms of it being deployed to N systems - will be Linux.
steveklabnik 5y ago
I am a Windows user, so all of the Rust software I use runs on it. And that’s virtually all Rust software. Sometimes you need a small patch or two because someone did something weird with path handling, but 99.99% of it Just Works. Apparently we haven't published platform statistics since 2019, but according to that years' survey: https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2020-03-RustSurvey/32-what-platform-developing-on.svg https://blog.rust-lang.org/images/2020-03-RustSurvey/32-what... * 55% of Rust users develop on Linux * 24% develop on Windows * 23% develop on macOS So yeah Linux was the most popular, but dropping effectively half of your users isn't always a great idea. Of course, some people will build OS-specific software in Rust, and that's great! But it is a tradeoff you're making.
- seg_lol 5y ago
  Neat! Thanks for admitting you use Windows. Perhaps MS could pay for crater runs on Windows? Are crater runs done on Windows now? Looks like yes, https://github.com/rust-lang/crater/blob/master/docs/agent-machine-setup-windows.md https://github.com/rust-lang/crater/blob/master/docs/agent-m...
  - steveklabnik 5y ago
    Not just that, but like, https://github.com/microsoft/windows-rs https://github.com/microsoft/windows-rs. Microsoft is a member of the Rust Foundation. etc etc.
- staticassertion 5y ago
  I'm only saying it's a tradeoff. Obviously given Rust's origins and goals dropping desktop as a target would make no sense - it was designed explicitly for those platforms. But if a language said "we're not going to support those" I wouldn't care at all, and a massive number of use cases - the majority, I think - would be solved with that language. In terms of what you develop on, that's a whole other story. The majority, of course, are on Linux. But I'd be interested to know what platform they target.
  - saghm 5y ago
    > In terms of what you develop on, that's a whole other story. The majority, of course, are on Linux I'm not sure that's as obvious as you're making it sound. The number of people who use Linux on the desktop is absolutely minuscule compared to the combined user base of Windows and MacOS. It's probably not as lopsided for developers, but I've never seen anything to imply that most developers in general are on Linux, and I'd honestly be surprised if that's the case given how much smaller the portion is in terms of people I know or have worked with, and that's as someone who does not personally own any laptop or desktop that runs anything other than Linux.
    - staticassertion 5y ago