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Funny how the author complains about how ISOs make the rest of the drive unusable and then say they see "no point" in multi-boot tools. That is exactly one of t

Funny how the author complains about how ISOs make the rest of the drive unusable and then say they see "no point" in multi-boot tools. That is exactly one of the use cases multi-boot tools like Ventoy support, being able to store other data on the drive. (The only caveat is that you must format the whole drive to install Ventoy in the first place, but after that you're free to store both ISO and non-ISO files on it.)

DarkUranium 5y ago
Ventoy even explicitly supports persistent data for the ISOs, defeating his argument of being unable to store the OS' data on the flash drive: https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html
- nsonha 5y ago
  the point is that you should use a mechanism that allows it, without some magical tool. Ventoy wasn't a thing until recently and what they said was true and is still true for people who just go to some homepage, download an ISO and flash it. Not a lot of people know about Ventoy, they would be stuck with a non persistence backup media.
  - nyuszika7h 5y ago
    Persistence isn't anything new or revolutionary. Rufus and other tools have supported persistence with ISOs just fine for ages. Ventoy may support persistence too, but its main selling point is being able to put multiple ISOs and whatever other files you want on the USB.
nsonha 5y ago
Having usable free space on the drive is not the same as having persistence on the live OS. You still have to manually copy files from the RAM disk to your drive. I think Ventoy even supports actual persistence but its not the same as getting it by simply flashing an image.
- nyuszika7h 5y ago
  It depends on your use case. The author first goes on talking generally about the rest of the drive being unusable, and only then mentions persistence. But Ventoy supports both, so either way the point is moot.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    > Ventoy supports both, so either way the point is moot. Again with this "some tool exists so the point is moot". The same kind of excuse for manufacturers to ship a crippled product. Ventoy is a very new tool, and no one puts a link to it next to their ISO's on the download page so to most people it's... moot. Why do I need a special tool to enable persistence on my boot media? Imagine flashing an ISO on a thumb drive for the first time and find out it's readonly, wouldn't you be like "why?"
    - nyuszika7h 5y ago
      You don't need Ventoy to enable persistence. I'm pretty sure Rufus supports it as well, which is far more popular. Ventoy's main selling point is that you can put multiple ISOs and other files on the same USB.
      - nsonha 5y ago
        Rufus doesn't, but that's not the point, I'm sure there are more than one tool out there that does it. But there should not be any tool. Linux distros should be packaged in such a way that you flash it with the default command that everyone has and you get a non-crippled OS.

DarkUranium 5y ago

Ventoy even explicitly supports persistent data for the ISOs, defeating his argument of being unable to store the OS' data on the flash drive: https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html https://www.ventoy.net/en/plugin_persistence.html

nsonha 5y ago
the point is that you should use a mechanism that allows it, without some magical tool. Ventoy wasn't a thing until recently and what they said was true and is still true for people who just go to some homepage, download an ISO and flash it. Not a lot of people know about Ventoy, they would be stuck with a non persistence backup media.
- nyuszika7h 5y ago
  Persistence isn't anything new or revolutionary. Rufus and other tools have supported persistence with ISOs just fine for ages. Ventoy may support persistence too, but its main selling point is being able to put multiple ISOs and whatever other files you want on the USB.

nsonha 5y ago

Having usable free space on the drive is not the same as having persistence on the live OS. You still have to manually copy files from the RAM disk to your drive. I think Ventoy even supports actual persistence but its not the same as getting it by simply flashing an image.

nyuszika7h 5y ago
It depends on your use case. The author first goes on talking generally about the rest of the drive being unusable, and only then mentions persistence. But Ventoy supports both, so either way the point is moot.
- nsonha 5y ago
  > Ventoy supports both, so either way the point is moot. Again with this "some tool exists so the point is moot". The same kind of excuse for manufacturers to ship a crippled product. Ventoy is a very new tool, and no one puts a link to it next to their ISO's on the download page so to most people it's... moot. Why do I need a special tool to enable persistence on my boot media? Imagine flashing an ISO on a thumb drive for the first time and find out it's readonly, wouldn't you be like "why?"
  - nyuszika7h 5y ago
    You don't need Ventoy to enable persistence. I'm pretty sure Rufus supports it as well, which is far more popular. Ventoy's main selling point is that you can put multiple ISOs and other files on the same USB.
    - nsonha 5y ago
      Rufus doesn't, but that's not the point, I'm sure there are more than one tool out there that does it. But there should not be any tool. Linux distros should be packaged in such a way that you flash it with the default command that everyone has and you get a non-crippled OS.