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> I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. Ironically, the hardest challenge for the British during the

> I suspect strongly you'll find that's not the case. Merger then has a more "1812" feeling to it. Ironically, the hardest challenge for the British during the war was to keep their soldiers from deserting to the US. Since there was no way a young British male could legally come to America from the UK, joining the army then crossing into America was their only hope. Ironically today, the countries named by the GP (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan) all have a net inflow of people to trying to get into the US, mirroring what happened in 1812. The political elites might laugh at the idea of a merger (considering they have a vested interest in keeping power) but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America!

arcticbull 5y ago
> ... but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America! That's not the same thing as wanting to abandon independence. Folks go to work in other countries not because they want their home country to be America. Those smart highly-educated workers aren't moving to America so much as the Bay Area to work at tech companies and make money - based on my personal experience and that of every other immigrant I know. Even those that went on to become US citizens wouldn't begin to entertain the idea of folding in their home countries. I've lived in America for years but I certainly have zero interest in "merging" in Canada. I couldn't want anything less, tbh. They're both unique and interesting countries in their own rights, with quite different peoples and values.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian, and according to the current administration deserve it even more than the folks who built the country [0], but when it's people coming to the US it's simply for higher pay and not because they want to make America their home. Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent. [0] https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/ https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-im... [1] https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1351785083598893062 https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1351785083598893062
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    > It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian. That’s fine on an individual level but that doesn’t mean they want to merge their home countries into Canada! Someone from Italy may move to the US but that is totally disjoint from them wanting to make Italy the 51st state. If they retain a strong positive association with the attributes of their home country, they want to retain independence to preserve them. If they have a negative association with their home country they have no interest in merging them either as they've actively distanced themselves from the negative attributes of their home state. Someone moving from California to New York doesn't want to see CA and NY merge into one bi-coastal superstate any more than someone moving from India to Canada wants to see a bi-continental megastate. > Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent. The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded. They can want to stay all day long, they're not being allowed to. And that will have an effect in time. Meanwhile... [1] [1] https://www.ft.com/content/b663ef33-2b6c-42ea-8952-bee9673f6e50 https://www.ft.com/content/b663ef33-2b6c-42ea-8952-bee9673f6...
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      > The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded What I posted is people who moved to the US, not people that had a desire to move. > Meanwhile... [1] It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan.
      - arcticbull 5y ago
        > It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan. Yes, because these are economic migrants and economic migrants are going to try for the most active and lucrative market first. If they can't get a visa, they'll certainly take their second pick. They'll then build up that market over time. This is why we have Shopify in Canada. The ecosystem builds on itself and it one day won't be quite so distant a second choice.

arcticbull 5y ago

> ... but it seems to make sense for a lot of their highly educated citizens who decided to make it happen here in America! That's not the same thing as wanting to abandon independence. Folks go to work in other countries not because they want their home country to be America. Those smart highly-educated workers aren't moving to America so much as the Bay Area to work at tech companies and make money - based on my personal experience and that of every other immigrant I know. Even those that went on to become US citizens wouldn't begin to entertain the idea of folding in their home countries. I've lived in America for years but I certainly have zero interest in "merging" in Canada. I couldn't want anything less, tbh. They're both unique and interesting countries in their own rights, with quite different peoples and values.

908B64B197 5y ago
It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian, and according to the current administration deserve it even more than the folks who built the country [0], but when it's people coming to the US it's simply for higher pay and not because they want to make America their home. Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent. [0] https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-immigrants-ctv-interview/ https://globalnews.ca/news/3567893/justin-trudeau-jealous-im... [1] https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1351785083598893062 https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1351785083598893062
- arcticbull 5y ago
  > It's interesting that the narrative is that when people move to Canada, it's because they have a deep desire of becoming Canadian. That’s fine on an individual level but that doesn’t mean they want to merge their home countries into Canada! Someone from Italy may move to the US but that is totally disjoint from them wanting to make Italy the 51st state. If they retain a strong positive association with the attributes of their home country, they want to retain independence to preserve them. If they have a negative association with their home country they have no interest in merging them either as they've actively distanced themselves from the negative attributes of their home state. Someone moving from California to New York doesn't want to see CA and NY merge into one bi-coastal superstate any more than someone moving from India to Canada wants to see a bi-continental megastate. > Meanwhile, there are now universities where 85% of the graduating class immediately moves to the US upon graduation [1]. And the numbers have actually increased during the Trump administration, despite the narrative that the US would stop attracting international talent. The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded. They can want to stay all day long, they're not being allowed to. And that will have an effect in time. Meanwhile... [1] [1] https://www.ft.com/content/b663ef33-2b6c-42ea-8952-bee9673f6e50 https://www.ft.com/content/b663ef33-2b6c-42ea-8952-bee9673f6...
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > The number of people who desired to stay after college went up, but visa issuance was suspended so they were precluded What I posted is people who moved to the US, not people that had a desire to move. > Meanwhile... [1] It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan.
    - arcticbull 5y ago
      > It's interesting, because in these stories Canada is never the first choice. Seems like every story starts with someone being unable to qualify for US immigration using Canada as a back up plan. Yes, because these are economic migrants and economic migrants are going to try for the most active and lucrative market first. If they can't get a visa, they'll certainly take their second pick. They'll then build up that market over time. This is why we have Shopify in Canada. The ecosystem builds on itself and it one day won't be quite so distant a second choice.