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>I have stated multiple times that muslim or uygur genocide in Xinjiang is a laughable propaganda lie. That you have stated so does not mean if it is true or n

>I have stated multiple times that muslim or uygur genocide in Xinjiang is a laughable propaganda lie. That you have stated so does not mean if it is true or not. Your Chinese source doesn't change the fact that Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. From 2016 there was a seven-fold increase in sterilization [1]. There are no natural reasons why that would happen, only to Uyghurs, entirely limited within Xinjiang in such a short amount of time. It is the textbook definition of genocide [2]. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-weekend-reads-china-health-269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... [2]: https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

trasz 5y ago
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- onepointsixC 5y ago
  > Birth rates always drop when the quality of life improves. Sure. They do not drop 60% in only a few years, only amongst a single ethnic group in a single region. The numerous testimonies, plus recently leaked documents confirming this is an explicit CCP policy removes any doubt.
  - trasz 5y ago
    That's true. However, it seems in China some things just happen much more quickly than anywhere else. This happens with building new nuclear power plants (or building anything, really), and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if it also happened to things like sex education, especially given Chinese lack of tolerance towards religious extremism and the reproduction rights hurdles it brings, even in nominally civilised countries like the US. Another thing about those official Chinese statistics is... well, personally I'd take them with a grain of salt. China is still far behind the West when it comes to transparency. The testimonies are a strong argument, however we're in the middle of information war against China. There is also the argument of the amount of those testimonies: there are surprisingly few of them, given millions of people armed with smartphones who live there.
  - star-trek-fleet 5y ago
    No no no That's just one possible explanation. But the premises of 60% drop in birth rate from 2016 to 2918 is not verified in the first place... I am still asking the source of 60% drop in birth rate of Uyghur groups. You probably need similar data for other ethnic groups to prove that this drop in Uyghur is unusual. The point remains that no one is applying the same standard when discussing China related issues. Why birth rate drop is linked to genocide? Because it's China!
star-trek-fleet 5y ago
> Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. First thing first. Dropped birth rate itself is from from genocide. China does not have genocide on Han people, even if the birth rate dropped significantly https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44133954.pdf https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44133954.pdf Then, where is the source data? The birthrate of all ethnic groups are listed in https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%90%84%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E7%94%9F%E8%82%B2%E7%8E%87%E8%A1%A8 https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%90%84%... Note Uyghur (维吾尔族) birth rate is 1.991 in 2000 and 1.842 in 2010. The same time the other groups vary a lot, but mostly the difference lies in the area economy development degrees. Ie, more advanced areas have lower birth rate. Planned birth can cause drop in birth rate. As in the case of the one child policy. Planned birth is violating human rights. But it's not genocide. All in all, check the facts and see who are producing them. I am not a professional reporter, and I only believe extraordinary claim require extraordinary proof. All evidence so far can only lead to the speculation that Uyghur population might be growing much slower (for that I still not see evidence that it's outlier compared to the whole population trends in China as a whole, I.e., Chiese population is undergoing huge aging and low birth rate across the nation). If you want to link one data points to genocide, then I assue you I can come up with genocide claims in any nations on earth.

trasz 5y ago

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onepointsixC 5y ago
> Birth rates always drop when the quality of life improves. Sure. They do not drop 60% in only a few years, only amongst a single ethnic group in a single region. The numerous testimonies, plus recently leaked documents confirming this is an explicit CCP policy removes any doubt.
- trasz 5y ago
  That's true. However, it seems in China some things just happen much more quickly than anywhere else. This happens with building new nuclear power plants (or building anything, really), and I wouldn't be hugely surprised if it also happened to things like sex education, especially given Chinese lack of tolerance towards religious extremism and the reproduction rights hurdles it brings, even in nominally civilised countries like the US. Another thing about those official Chinese statistics is... well, personally I'd take them with a grain of salt. China is still far behind the West when it comes to transparency. The testimonies are a strong argument, however we're in the middle of information war against China. There is also the argument of the amount of those testimonies: there are surprisingly few of them, given millions of people armed with smartphones who live there.
- star-trek-fleet 5y ago
  No no no That's just one possible explanation. But the premises of 60% drop in birth rate from 2016 to 2918 is not verified in the first place... I am still asking the source of 60% drop in birth rate of Uyghur groups. You probably need similar data for other ethnic groups to prove that this drop in Uyghur is unusual. The point remains that no one is applying the same standard when discussing China related issues. Why birth rate drop is linked to genocide? Because it's China!

star-trek-fleet 5y ago

> Uyghur birthrates dropped by a 60% between 2015 to 2018 according to Chinese government statistics. First thing first. Dropped birth rate itself is from from genocide. China does not have genocide on Han people, even if the birth rate dropped significantly https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44133954.pdf https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/44133954.pdf Then, where is the source data? The birthrate of all ethnic groups are listed in https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%90%84%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F%E7%94%9F%E8%82%B2%E7%8E%87%E8%A1%A8 https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E5%90%84%... Note Uyghur (维吾尔族) birth rate is 1.991 in 2000 and 1.842 in 2010. The same time the other groups vary a lot, but mostly the difference lies in the area economy development degrees. Ie, more advanced areas have lower birth rate. Planned birth can cause drop in birth rate. As in the case of the one child policy. Planned birth is violating human rights. But it's not genocide. All in all, check the facts and see who are producing them. I am not a professional reporter, and I only believe extraordinary claim require extraordinary proof. All evidence so far can only lead to the speculation that Uyghur population might be growing much slower (for that I still not see evidence that it's outlier compared to the whole population trends in China as a whole, I.e., Chiese population is undergoing huge aging and low birth rate across the nation). If you want to link one data points to genocide, then I assue you I can come up with genocide claims in any nations on earth.