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That's completely wrong. How is it that one of their largest global competitors, Samsung, exists despite having no factories in China for years now? Apple could

That's completely wrong. How is it that one of their largest global competitors, Samsung, exists despite having no factories in China for years now? Apple could leave China just fine as far as manufacturing is concerned. The question is would it be able to still sell to the Chinese market if it does.

sneak 5y ago
Foxconn has an iPhone City of hundreds of thousands of people (something like 350k). They make something like 200 million iPhones per year. If you think that can be moved "just fine" then we will have to agree to disagree. Producing something of the iPhone's quality, at the scale of a half million per day, every single day (that's 23,000 per hour, every hour, 24/7, for an entire year) is not something one can just pick up and move, even with Apple's resources. It would take several years, if indeed it is possible at all. There are dozens or hundreds of managing workers at Foxconn who have been designing and producing iPhone manufacturing lines for a decade+, and I doubt China would give them and their families all exit visas to move to some other country to assist Foxconn and Apple in divesting themselves of the CCP's prerogatives. This ain't Factorio.
- onepointsixC 5y ago
  >If you think that can be moved "just fine" then we will have to agree to disagree. Then let's agree to disagree, as Samsung, with it's 253 million shipments[1] does exactly that having explicitly moved out of China[2]. It is not impossible. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones#2020_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsung-ends-mobile-phone-production-in-china-idUSKBN1WH0LR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsun...
Aperocky 5y ago
> X could leave China just fine If something has potential, then it will happen. The higher the potential, the faster it will happen. And laws, contrary to what many believe, only has limited potential. So if leaving China has potential, then it will happen. Tariffs have already made the potential higher, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's breaking even just yet.

sneak 5y ago

Foxconn has an iPhone City of hundreds of thousands of people (something like 350k). They make something like 200 million iPhones per year. If you think that can be moved "just fine" then we will have to agree to disagree. Producing something of the iPhone's quality, at the scale of a half million per day, every single day (that's 23,000 per hour, every hour, 24/7, for an entire year) is not something one can just pick up and move, even with Apple's resources. It would take several years, if indeed it is possible at all. There are dozens or hundreds of managing workers at Foxconn who have been designing and producing iPhone manufacturing lines for a decade+, and I doubt China would give them and their families all exit visas to move to some other country to assist Foxconn and Apple in divesting themselves of the CCP's prerogatives. This ain't Factorio.

onepointsixC 5y ago
>If you think that can be moved "just fine" then we will have to agree to disagree. Then let's agree to disagree, as Samsung, with it's 253 million shipments[1] does exactly that having explicitly moved out of China[2]. It is not impossible. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_phones#2020_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph... [2]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsung-ends-mobile-phone-production-in-china-idUSKBN1WH0LR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-china/samsun...

Aperocky 5y ago

> X could leave China just fine If something has potential, then it will happen. The higher the potential, the faster it will happen. And laws, contrary to what many believe, only has limited potential. So if leaving China has potential, then it will happen. Tariffs have already made the potential higher, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's breaking even just yet.