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Just yesterday I read a Reddit post which I can't find now with a very long list of issues with the game. Some of them quite serious and most commenters apparen

Just yesterday I read a Reddit post which I can't find now with a very long list of issues with the game. Some of them quite serious and most commenters apparently would prefer to pay for the game instead of getting this unfinished monetized product.

munk-a 5y ago
> most commenters apparently would prefer to pay for the game I think, at this point, this is known - but it's limited to certain segments of the audience. A lot of gamers have happily dropped hundreds of dollars on Paradox titles (keeping up with the DLCs) without ever feeling that gut wrenching guilt you get from interacting with freemium systems - even while outspending the average user by a large margin. Freemium games have several really big flaws that have come to prominence lately - one of the biggest comes into play with competitive games. If the game has no acquisition cost then bans are really hard to enforce so cheating can be extremely common.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  The biggest flaw with freemium games is that they become infested with cheaters, because there's no economic cost to starting over with a new account. That's assuming anyone is even doing anything about them cheating in the first place. Most publishers seem to only react when streamers draw attention to someone cheating. I saw a COD: warzone youtube video where the streamer got someone banned by messaging an activision employee; the player was riding around on an ATV, instantly shooting every player. They get bounced mid-game. It's a "fuck yaeaaaa, activision!" moment...until the streamer goes and looks at their game stats and sees that they had a lifetime K/D ratio of something like 20, where TWO is practically world-class...and that they'd played dozens of games. The streamer asks: why weren't they bounced (or at least subject to account review) simply by having wildly off-the-chart stats alone? Because Activision doesn't care. Cheaters don't really impact their bottom line.
  - Jerrrry 5y ago
    >Because Activision doesn't care. Cheaters don't really impact their bottom line. It's actually the opposite - they don't chase the users, they chase, pin, and throw the developers of these mods in jail. It is just by the time they do that, the mods tools/anti-cheat is leaked and prevalent to even free users.
    - esyir 5y ago
      If doubt that legal action is going to do anything here. Most of the cheat developers are far away from the arms of American law.
    - KennyBlanken 5y ago
      You can't jail people for writing game cheats.
      - Jerrrry 5y ago
        You can jail people for using them for profit.

munk-a 5y ago

> most commenters apparently would prefer to pay for the game I think, at this point, this is known - but it's limited to certain segments of the audience. A lot of gamers have happily dropped hundreds of dollars on Paradox titles (keeping up with the DLCs) without ever feeling that gut wrenching guilt you get from interacting with freemium systems - even while outspending the average user by a large margin. Freemium games have several really big flaws that have come to prominence lately - one of the biggest comes into play with competitive games. If the game has no acquisition cost then bans are really hard to enforce so cheating can be extremely common.

KennyBlanken 5y ago
The biggest flaw with freemium games is that they become infested with cheaters, because there's no economic cost to starting over with a new account. That's assuming anyone is even doing anything about them cheating in the first place. Most publishers seem to only react when streamers draw attention to someone cheating. I saw a COD: warzone youtube video where the streamer got someone banned by messaging an activision employee; the player was riding around on an ATV, instantly shooting every player. They get bounced mid-game. It's a "fuck yaeaaaa, activision!" moment...until the streamer goes and looks at their game stats and sees that they had a lifetime K/D ratio of something like 20, where TWO is practically world-class...and that they'd played dozens of games. The streamer asks: why weren't they bounced (or at least subject to account review) simply by having wildly off-the-chart stats alone? Because Activision doesn't care. Cheaters don't really impact their bottom line.
- Jerrrry 5y ago
  >Because Activision doesn't care. Cheaters don't really impact their bottom line. It's actually the opposite - they don't chase the users, they chase, pin, and throw the developers of these mods in jail. It is just by the time they do that, the mods tools/anti-cheat is leaked and prevalent to even free users.
  - esyir 5y ago
    If doubt that legal action is going to do anything here. Most of the cheat developers are far away from the arms of American law.
  - KennyBlanken 5y ago
    You can't jail people for writing game cheats.
    - Jerrrry 5y ago
      You can jail people for using them for profit.