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I don't want to do bullshit work just to be entertained. I want a society were no one needs to work and we only reach it when the amount of people we need is g

by Hekioi 5y ago

I don't want to do bullshit work just to be entertained. I want a society were no one needs to work and we only reach it when the amount of people we need is getting so much less that our society needs to rethink this "work". Without a job? My work ethic is to work in a way that I'm not needed. And still I'm needed but instead of doing the same old shit everyday I can innovate because I don't need to fix old shitty written stuff.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
You're actually right. The goal is to automate all work to the point there is no need for an economy. In a post-scarcity society there is no need to economize. However, it's a mistake to believe the rich and powerful will allow such a society to exist since they'd be powerless in it. They will impose artificial scarcity on it in order to maintain the existence of capitalism and their fortunes. Just look at how copyright is ruining free computing and the free internet.
- Hekioi 5y ago
  Apparently the working class is doing there part as well to keep the status quo when I see the reaction of others to my statement.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    I don't think this is accidental. There seems to be a deliberate effort to de-politicize the economy and to de-economize politics. The left used to be all about labor rights. Now it's about gender politics.
  - literallyWTF 5y ago
    Lol. BRB lemme make my job and the job of others obsolete and hopefully society will also happen to reevaluate “work” just in time so I don’t starve to death. Do you understand how dumb your logic is? Or are you going to continue to hand wave literally everything
  - JacobThreeThree 5y ago
    Lol, it's the fault of the working class that they're oppressed? Strange world view.
    - psychoslave 5y ago
      Fault is a rather morally strongly conoted term, but from a cybernetic analysis, the working class is contributing to the positive feedback loop of is own oppression. That's not to say individuals that compose the class are all willingly and stupidily acting against their own collective best interest while being convince there's a better practical way they can afford to realize with only marginal chances to end up ostracized or severely punished for the sake of the example.
- unclebucknasty 5y ago
  >it's a mistake to believe the rich and powerful will allow such a society to exist since they'd be powerless in it. I'm having trouble imagining how such a transition would even look. I mean, do we still have some sort of recognition of property rights for existing property? If not, then how are the currently owned resources "freed"? If so, then the wealthy would still be wealthy and there'd still be "classes". So, I'm not sure they'd mind so much, but for consideration of their offspring (which I don't discount). In either case, how do we go about allocating future resources?

by Hekioi 5y ago

matheusmoreira 5y ago

You're actually right. The goal is to automate all work to the point there is no need for an economy. In a post-scarcity society there is no need to economize. However, it's a mistake to believe the rich and powerful will allow such a society to exist since they'd be powerless in it. They will impose artificial scarcity on it in order to maintain the existence of capitalism and their fortunes. Just look at how copyright is ruining free computing and the free internet.

Hekioi 5y ago
Apparently the working class is doing there part as well to keep the status quo when I see the reaction of others to my statement.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  I don't think this is accidental. There seems to be a deliberate effort to de-politicize the economy and to de-economize politics. The left used to be all about labor rights. Now it's about gender politics.
- literallyWTF 5y ago
  Lol. BRB lemme make my job and the job of others obsolete and hopefully society will also happen to reevaluate “work” just in time so I don’t starve to death. Do you understand how dumb your logic is? Or are you going to continue to hand wave literally everything
- JacobThreeThree 5y ago
  Lol, it's the fault of the working class that they're oppressed? Strange world view.
  - psychoslave 5y ago
    Fault is a rather morally strongly conoted term, but from a cybernetic analysis, the working class is contributing to the positive feedback loop of is own oppression. That's not to say individuals that compose the class are all willingly and stupidily acting against their own collective best interest while being convince there's a better practical way they can afford to realize with only marginal chances to end up ostracized or severely punished for the sake of the example.
unclebucknasty 5y ago
>it's a mistake to believe the rich and powerful will allow such a society to exist since they'd be powerless in it. I'm having trouble imagining how such a transition would even look. I mean, do we still have some sort of recognition of property rights for existing property? If not, then how are the currently owned resources "freed"? If so, then the wealthy would still be wealthy and there'd still be "classes". So, I'm not sure they'd mind so much, but for consideration of their offspring (which I don't discount). In either case, how do we go about allocating future resources?