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very convenient that a lot of bot accounts suddenly follows an account for people trying to amplify the accessibility of information of a trial that is suspicio

very convenient that a lot of bot accounts suddenly follows an account for people trying to amplify the accessibility of information of a trial that is suspiciously low profile considering the people involved.

SQueeeeeL 5y ago
Time to bust out the cork board and string boys!!! Hacker news is definitely gonna crack this case
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - SQueeeeeL 5y ago
    Should post encouraging dangerous conspiracy theories be given the same level of care as math questions?
    - dang 5y ago
      It's not about caring for the posts, it's about caring for the community you're participating in.
      - SQueeeeeL 5y ago
        I care deeply about the hacker news community, but engaging a conspiracy theorist on a standard discussion is destructive and dangerous to the overall community because such a conversation is a grounds to express more "facts" and reach a broader market. My response quickly points out the connection to existing dangerous communities and reinforces our reality as people casually browsing an internet forum and preempts further discussion and replies of ("I'm just saying")
        dang 5y ago
        Since you care deeply about the HN community, you should refrain from posting low-quality comments and breaking the site guidelines. As they point out, the way to deal with egregious comments is to not reply, to downvote/flag, and possibly email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take a look. Otherwise we just end up in a tedious, offtopic spiral.
        LilBytes 5y ago
        Someday I hope to have half the composure and calm you continue to maintain and nurture, dang.
        SQueeeeeL 5y ago
        The discussion here focused on a single spam account being banned from Twitter, flagging comments and suspecting accounts promoting conspiracy theories validates that disgusting worldview (that big tech has a nefarious connection to underaged trafficking). But as the other comment said I do appreciate your civility. I would like to point out this tedious off topic spiral has the benefit of refusing the engage the dangerous ideas we were originally responding too, and instead pivoting the topic.
        dang 5y ago
        Ok, but the cost of tedious downward spirals greatly exceeds the benefit. Much better is not to feed them. We all need to just accept wrongness on the internet as a cost of doing internet on the internet. Fighting it amplifies it.
        SQueeeeeL 5y ago
        I think that's the fundamental disagreement. I think fighting it through dressing down is most effective. Conspiracy theories thrive on politeness, and masking harmful leaps of faith as innocent conversation. Mockery quickly points out the inherent bad faith of the premise. I don't think open platforms have to cater to such extremism.
tootie 5y ago
Nobody prominent is involved. This case is so larded with misplaced expectations. We as of yet have no real proof any prominent people besides Prince Andrew may be tangentially implicated and no reason to think Maxwell has any compromising information if they were. And even if both those assumptions are true there's no reason they'd be pertinent to her trial. Her trial which is happening likely because the prosecutor couldn't force a plea.
- lostlogin 5y ago
  > We as of yet have no real proof any prominent people besides Prince Andrew may be tangentially implicated Isn’t that a reason to follow the case?
  - tootie 5y ago
    We don't know if there are prominent people involved in every case in every courtroom in the world. Maybe Bill Clinton has been stalking Bushwick stealing bikes for the last 5 years. Probably not though. Meanwhile the most recent ex-president is directly implicated in trying to upend democracy and lying about deliberately spreading covid at the White House.
  - shadowgovt 5y ago
    Not in the US. The US audience doesn't really care about the UK royal family. And in the UK, the media is constrained by stronger libel laws such that they'll sit on their haunches in terms of reporting on things in the case until they are considered factual enough to withstand a UK libel suit. Allegations thrown about in a foreign court of law don't meet that bar.
    - kranke155 5y ago
      What? This case is all over Uk media
- cheeseomlit 5y ago
  Epstein's murder and subsequent cover-up strongly imply that other prominent people were involved
dundarious 5y ago
You can pay money for followers. You don't need the means of a nation state or shadowy cabal. I'm right there with you on the Maxwell/Epstein story being far more significant though. But an analogy is, if you have a legitimate criticism of the security state/"deep state" (a phrase I use and have no aversion to), it's not useful to buy into Qanon nonsense just because they criticize some of the same people. I know nothing directly about "patriot one" so I'm not saying it's Qanon level nonsense, but I'll defer to TrueAnon that it was probably counter-productive as a source. And making that judgment doesn't put anyone in league with the devil. Just follow better informed and more scrupulous sources. TrueAnon are flippant and mischievous in ways that diminish them slightly, but on the whole, they're excellent. And they're at the trial every day.
questiondev 5y ago
i know, this just makes the conspiracy crowd more on edge about the whole thing
- arpstick 5y ago
  it is in fact very easy to not fully believe conspiracy theories, those who do go all in with those are not the primary demographic that enjoys thinking about conspiracy theories. It is primarily an activity practiced by people who are capable of entertaining wild ideas without believing them as truth, aka skeptics. I never understood the massive public stigma around being able to have a wild imagination but stay grounded regardless.
flerchin 5y ago
Front page of all the news site is not all that low profile.
- mdoms 5y ago
  I just opened the front pages of CNN, Fox News, BBC News and NBC News and found the Maxwell case either completely uncovered on the front pages, opinion-only coverage, coverage of only this particular Twitter story, tabloid nonsense or coverage buried so far down the page in a sidebar it may as well not be there. That seems pretty poor to me for such a high profile case. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/78aNg1b https://imgur.com/a/78aNg1b
  - kranke155 5y ago
    Funny it’s getting huge coverage in UK media
agentdrtran 5y ago
if you listen to trueanon they had to open multiple overflow rooms becuase press agents from all over the world are lining up hours early to get it, it's not low profile.
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SQueeeeeL 5y ago

Time to bust out the cork board and string boys!!! Hacker news is definitely gonna crack this case

dang 5y ago
Please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- SQueeeeeL 5y ago
  Should post encouraging dangerous conspiracy theories be given the same level of care as math questions?
  - dang 5y ago
    It's not about caring for the posts, it's about caring for the community you're participating in.
    - SQueeeeeL 5y ago
      I care deeply about the hacker news community, but engaging a conspiracy theorist on a standard discussion is destructive and dangerous to the overall community because such a conversation is a grounds to express more "facts" and reach a broader market. My response quickly points out the connection to existing dangerous communities and reinforces our reality as people casually browsing an internet forum and preempts further discussion and replies of ("I'm just saying")
      - dang 5y ago
        Since you care deeply about the HN community, you should refrain from posting low-quality comments and breaking the site guidelines. As they point out, the way to deal with egregious comments is to not reply, to downvote/flag, and possibly email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take a look. Otherwise we just end up in a tedious, offtopic spiral.
        LilBytes 5y ago
        Someday I hope to have half the composure and calm you continue to maintain and nurture, dang.
        SQueeeeeL 5y ago
        The discussion here focused on a single spam account being banned from Twitter, flagging comments and suspecting accounts promoting conspiracy theories validates that disgusting worldview (that big tech has a nefarious connection to underaged trafficking). But as the other comment said I do appreciate your civility. I would like to point out this tedious off topic spiral has the benefit of refusing the engage the dangerous ideas we were originally responding too, and instead pivoting the topic.
        dang 5y ago
        Ok, but the cost of tedious downward spirals greatly exceeds the benefit. Much better is not to feed them. We all need to just accept wrongness on the internet as a cost of doing internet on the internet. Fighting it amplifies it.
        SQueeeeeL 5y ago
        I think that's the fundamental disagreement. I think fighting it through dressing down is most effective. Conspiracy theories thrive on politeness, and masking harmful leaps of faith as innocent conversation. Mockery quickly points out the inherent bad faith of the premise. I don't think open platforms have to cater to such extremism.

tootie 5y ago

Nobody prominent is involved. This case is so larded with misplaced expectations. We as of yet have no real proof any prominent people besides Prince Andrew may be tangentially implicated and no reason to think Maxwell has any compromising information if they were. And even if both those assumptions are true there's no reason they'd be pertinent to her trial. Her trial which is happening likely because the prosecutor couldn't force a plea.

lostlogin 5y ago
> We as of yet have no real proof any prominent people besides Prince Andrew may be tangentially implicated Isn’t that a reason to follow the case?
- tootie 5y ago
  We don't know if there are prominent people involved in every case in every courtroom in the world. Maybe Bill Clinton has been stalking Bushwick stealing bikes for the last 5 years. Probably not though. Meanwhile the most recent ex-president is directly implicated in trying to upend democracy and lying about deliberately spreading covid at the White House.
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  Not in the US. The US audience doesn't really care about the UK royal family. And in the UK, the media is constrained by stronger libel laws such that they'll sit on their haunches in terms of reporting on things in the case until they are considered factual enough to withstand a UK libel suit. Allegations thrown about in a foreign court of law don't meet that bar.
  - kranke155 5y ago
    What? This case is all over Uk media
cheeseomlit 5y ago
Epstein's murder and subsequent cover-up strongly imply that other prominent people were involved

dundarious 5y ago

You can pay money for followers. You don't need the means of a nation state or shadowy cabal. I'm right there with you on the Maxwell/Epstein story being far more significant though. But an analogy is, if you have a legitimate criticism of the security state/"deep state" (a phrase I use and have no aversion to), it's not useful to buy into Qanon nonsense just because they criticize some of the same people. I know nothing directly about "patriot one" so I'm not saying it's Qanon level nonsense, but I'll defer to TrueAnon that it was probably counter-productive as a source. And making that judgment doesn't put anyone in league with the devil. Just follow better informed and more scrupulous sources. TrueAnon are flippant and mischievous in ways that diminish them slightly, but on the whole, they're excellent. And they're at the trial every day.

questiondev 5y ago

i know, this just makes the conspiracy crowd more on edge about the whole thing

arpstick 5y ago
it is in fact very easy to not fully believe conspiracy theories, those who do go all in with those are not the primary demographic that enjoys thinking about conspiracy theories. It is primarily an activity practiced by people who are capable of entertaining wild ideas without believing them as truth, aka skeptics. I never understood the massive public stigma around being able to have a wild imagination but stay grounded regardless.

flerchin 5y ago

Front page of all the news site is not all that low profile.

mdoms 5y ago
I just opened the front pages of CNN, Fox News, BBC News and NBC News and found the Maxwell case either completely uncovered on the front pages, opinion-only coverage, coverage of only this particular Twitter story, tabloid nonsense or coverage buried so far down the page in a sidebar it may as well not be there. That seems pretty poor to me for such a high profile case. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/78aNg1b https://imgur.com/a/78aNg1b
- kranke155 5y ago
  Funny it’s getting huge coverage in UK media

agentdrtran 5y ago

if you listen to trueanon they had to open multiple overflow rooms becuase press agents from all over the world are lining up hours early to get it, it's not low profile.

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