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No its not fine because not everyone reacts well to these vaccines. I know numerous people, including myself, that have had crippling heart inflammation after t

No its not fine because not everyone reacts well to these vaccines. I know numerous people, including myself, that have had crippling heart inflammation after their second dose. I can apply for an exemption but ultimately that does little for what rights I am afforded. People are being left behind, and its not okay.

nope96 5y ago
And I know people who died from Covid, who'd be alive today if they'd took the vaccine.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  The difference here is no one is forcing you NOT to take the vaccine.
- notch656a 5y ago
  You can't possibly know that.
- ostenning 5y ago
  But I did take the vaccine, twice. It gives me great anxiety to think about taking it again given what I have gone through. My situation improved significantly but I might not be so lucky next time. I shouldnt have to weigh up potential damage to my heart, versus my right to freedom of movement (im an expat). Personally im holding out for Novavax now.
  - junon 5y ago
    There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Remember that VAERS is pretty much the most garbage 'signal' you can possibly get when it comes to side effect reporting as there is pretty much no barrier to entry to get a 'side effect' in there - much less the requirement that you're a medical professional of any sort. It has its uses but saying someone died from the mRNA vaccine because it's in VAERS is like saying someone disappeared because of aliens. In fact, I'm sure you can find something like "turned me into an alien" in VAERS. I'd bet a beer on it. Please get vaccinated if your doctor approves. Novavax isn't a for-sure deal, as it hasn't been peer reviewed and will be a long time until generally available if found viable.
    - jmnicolas 5y ago
      > There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Didn't you see the wave of cardiac problems in sports? It's much more than a handful, I here about it almost daily.
    - GuB-42 5y ago
      You have pretty large hands... For young men, it is about 1/10000 with the Moderna vaccine. No fatal cases AFAIK, but considering that we are talking about young men who are less likely to get severe covid, it is less than ideal. Benefit/risk is still good, but will it still be the case if we need a new dose every 6 months? Anyways, for that reason, health authorities recommend Pfizer/Biontech over Moderna for people under 30. And it is probably what encouraged the use of half doses of the Moderna vaccine for booster shots.
    - ostenning 5y ago
      > A handful The reality is the statistics are always being revised and they are being revised in the direction that heart inflammation is more prevalent than initially thought. According to the Australian TGA, this rate has been revised to 1/10000 for adolescent boys [1][2]. That is a pretty high value. This continual rise in myocarditis incidence rates indicates to me that nobody really knows how prevalent these side-effects actually are. I stand by my statement. People that did experience heart inflammation should not have to choose between participating in society and being boosted with vaccines that have previously injured them. [1] - https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditis-risk-reaches-1-in-10-000-for-a https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditi... [2] - https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021 https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...
    - pknight 5y ago
      In the UK over 300 hundred thousand adverse events have been reported to the yellow card system, with over a 1000 deaths. I've heard that VAERS underreports because medical professionals don't have the time to make the submissions (I don't really know if that's true or not). It's impossible to confirm what the precise risks are and whether those reporting systems are over- or understating the real picture, but it's irresponsible, I think, to handwave about risks to someone who clearly had a bad response. I know someone who had both the myocarditis as well as a severe allergic reaction, which could have been fatal if she hadn't received benadryl in time. After that, she was advised by her doctor to not get the 2nd shot. But because the social pressure being placed on people is so high, she is still minded to get the 2nd shot even when her own doctor advises against it. I don't think medical decisions should be swayed by peer pressure from people on the internet, or an employer.
beervirus 5y ago
>numerous people The incidence of myocarditis after vaccination is around 2 cases per 100,000. You are lying.
- dang 5y ago
  You can't attack another user like that, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. More generally: would you please stop posting flamewar and/or unsubstantive comments? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've had to ask you about this more than once before. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
selcuka 5y ago
What do you suggest as an alternative? This is the current state of the science as far as Covid-19 is concerned. There will most definitely be different types of vaccines with longer lasting immunity [1] and anti-viral drugs [2] in the future but this is the best we have at this time. [1] https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid-vaccine/ https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid... [2] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antiviral-drug-could-mean-for-the-future-of-covid https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antivir...

nope96 5y ago

And I know people who died from Covid, who'd be alive today if they'd took the vaccine.

CountDrewku 5y ago
The difference here is no one is forcing you NOT to take the vaccine.
notch656a 5y ago
You can't possibly know that.
ostenning 5y ago
But I did take the vaccine, twice. It gives me great anxiety to think about taking it again given what I have gone through. My situation improved significantly but I might not be so lucky next time. I shouldnt have to weigh up potential damage to my heart, versus my right to freedom of movement (im an expat). Personally im holding out for Novavax now.
- junon 5y ago
  There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Remember that VAERS is pretty much the most garbage 'signal' you can possibly get when it comes to side effect reporting as there is pretty much no barrier to entry to get a 'side effect' in there - much less the requirement that you're a medical professional of any sort. It has its uses but saying someone died from the mRNA vaccine because it's in VAERS is like saying someone disappeared because of aliens. In fact, I'm sure you can find something like "turned me into an alien" in VAERS. I'd bet a beer on it. Please get vaccinated if your doctor approves. Novavax isn't a for-sure deal, as it hasn't been peer reviewed and will be a long time until generally available if found viable.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    > There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Didn't you see the wave of cardiac problems in sports? It's much more than a handful, I here about it almost daily.
  - GuB-42 5y ago
    You have pretty large hands... For young men, it is about 1/10000 with the Moderna vaccine. No fatal cases AFAIK, but considering that we are talking about young men who are less likely to get severe covid, it is less than ideal. Benefit/risk is still good, but will it still be the case if we need a new dose every 6 months? Anyways, for that reason, health authorities recommend Pfizer/Biontech over Moderna for people under 30. And it is probably what encouraged the use of half doses of the Moderna vaccine for booster shots.
  - ostenning 5y ago
    > A handful The reality is the statistics are always being revised and they are being revised in the direction that heart inflammation is more prevalent than initially thought. According to the Australian TGA, this rate has been revised to 1/10000 for adolescent boys [1][2]. That is a pretty high value. This continual rise in myocarditis incidence rates indicates to me that nobody really knows how prevalent these side-effects actually are. I stand by my statement. People that did experience heart inflammation should not have to choose between participating in society and being boosted with vaccines that have previously injured them. [1] - https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditis-risk-reaches-1-in-10-000-for-a https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditi... [2] - https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021 https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...
  - pknight 5y ago
    In the UK over 300 hundred thousand adverse events have been reported to the yellow card system, with over a 1000 deaths. I've heard that VAERS underreports because medical professionals don't have the time to make the submissions (I don't really know if that's true or not). It's impossible to confirm what the precise risks are and whether those reporting systems are over- or understating the real picture, but it's irresponsible, I think, to handwave about risks to someone who clearly had a bad response. I know someone who had both the myocarditis as well as a severe allergic reaction, which could have been fatal if she hadn't received benadryl in time. After that, she was advised by her doctor to not get the 2nd shot. But because the social pressure being placed on people is so high, she is still minded to get the 2nd shot even when her own doctor advises against it. I don't think medical decisions should be swayed by peer pressure from people on the internet, or an employer.

beervirus 5y ago

>numerous people The incidence of myocarditis after vaccination is around 2 cases per 100,000. You are lying.

dang 5y ago
You can't attack another user like that, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. More generally: would you please stop posting flamewar and/or unsubstantive comments? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've had to ask you about this more than once before. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

selcuka 5y ago

What do you suggest as an alternative? This is the current state of the science as far as Covid-19 is concerned. There will most definitely be different types of vaccines with longer lasting immunity [1] and anti-viral drugs [2] in the future but this is the best we have at this time. [1] https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid-vaccine/ https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid... [2] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antiviral-drug-could-mean-for-the-future-of-covid https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antivir...