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not OP, but: Presumably the impression that there is a Rust hype squad that's pushing it everywhere and swipes away any counter arguments. I'm not that opposed

by detaro 5y ago

not OP, but: Presumably the impression that there is a Rust hype squad that's pushing it everywhere and swipes away any counter arguments. I'm not that opposed to Rust and think its an interesting language, but the more annoying parts of its fanbase really haven't done it any favors. The sort that comments on every new project not in Rust "why is this not in Rust" (this specific thing seems to have died down somewhat), ignores any progress in other languages or Rusts weaknesses when making comparisons and thinks "Everyone still writing C++ should be tried in Den Haag" is a perfectly fine contribution (yes, that's a real example. sadly)

Guvante 5y ago
C++ has nearly as many rabid fanboys as Rust. I am curious why the community reacts differently to them. I am not saying "just write it in Rust" is a good thing, I think anyone claiming someone else needs to rewrite their program is automatically wrong. This thread is full of "Linus hates C++" as if "the subset of C++ that can be used in the kernel is basically C" is an outright fabrication. I may be oversampling on the fact that nearly every article about programming languages here is filled with people wondering what the point is though shrug.
- detaro 5y ago
  > "the subset of C++ that can be used in the kernel is basically C" is an outright fabrication. It's IMHO a good example of "ignore any progress in other languages", because it was a lot more true back when the question of C++ in the kernel first came up than it would be today. Which is not to say that the kernel should add C++, Linus is fully allowed to still think c++ isn't a good choice or to personally dislike it. And I'm very certain I've seen less intrusive pro-C++ spamming than I've seen for Rust. C++ hasn't been cool or hype in a long time, it's mostly on the defensive in such arguments. Even Go wasn't as bad IMHO, and that also had some hype factor. EDIT: > This thread is full of "Linus hates C++" Ok, I skimmed the thread. There is one comment saying that, one saying "Linus wasn't a fan at the time". "Full of", sure.
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"C++ has nearly as many rabid fanboys " My impression - not even remotely close. Mostly it is the subject of bashing.
  - Guvante 5y ago
    You haven't seen many Hacker News pages involving a GC language and the topic of performance the number of "just write it in C++ like everyone else" is frustrating. Nothing against C++ just telling someone else to change languages is unhelpful.

by detaro 5y ago

Guvante 5y ago

C++ has nearly as many rabid fanboys as Rust. I am curious why the community reacts differently to them. I am not saying "just write it in Rust" is a good thing, I think anyone claiming someone else needs to rewrite their program is automatically wrong. This thread is full of "Linus hates C++" as if "the subset of C++ that can be used in the kernel is basically C" is an outright fabrication. I may be oversampling on the fact that nearly every article about programming languages here is filled with people wondering what the point is though shrug.

detaro 5y ago
> "the subset of C++ that can be used in the kernel is basically C" is an outright fabrication. It's IMHO a good example of "ignore any progress in other languages", because it was a lot more true back when the question of C++ in the kernel first came up than it would be today. Which is not to say that the kernel should add C++, Linus is fully allowed to still think c++ isn't a good choice or to personally dislike it. And I'm very certain I've seen less intrusive pro-C++ spamming than I've seen for Rust. C++ hasn't been cool or hype in a long time, it's mostly on the defensive in such arguments. Even Go wasn't as bad IMHO, and that also had some hype factor. EDIT: > This thread is full of "Linus hates C++" Ok, I skimmed the thread. There is one comment saying that, one saying "Linus wasn't a fan at the time". "Full of", sure.
FpUser 5y ago
>"C++ has nearly as many rabid fanboys " My impression - not even remotely close. Mostly it is the subject of bashing.
- Guvante 5y ago
  You haven't seen many Hacker News pages involving a GC language and the topic of performance the number of "just write it in C++ like everyone else" is frustrating. Nothing against C++ just telling someone else to change languages is unhelpful.