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That’s… fine? I don’t care if I have to get a jab every 6 months. I don’t care if Pfizer and Moderna make a ton of money off this—they deserve it.

ostenning 5y ago
No its not fine because not everyone reacts well to these vaccines. I know numerous people, including myself, that have had crippling heart inflammation after their second dose. I can apply for an exemption but ultimately that does little for what rights I am afforded. People are being left behind, and its not okay.
- nope96 5y ago
  And I know people who died from Covid, who'd be alive today if they'd took the vaccine.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    The difference here is no one is forcing you NOT to take the vaccine.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    You can't possibly know that.
  - ostenning 5y ago
    But I did take the vaccine, twice. It gives me great anxiety to think about taking it again given what I have gone through. My situation improved significantly but I might not be so lucky next time. I shouldnt have to weigh up potential damage to my heart, versus my right to freedom of movement (im an expat). Personally im holding out for Novavax now.
    - junon 5y ago
      There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Remember that VAERS is pretty much the most garbage 'signal' you can possibly get when it comes to side effect reporting as there is pretty much no barrier to entry to get a 'side effect' in there - much less the requirement that you're a medical professional of any sort. It has its uses but saying someone died from the mRNA vaccine because it's in VAERS is like saying someone disappeared because of aliens. In fact, I'm sure you can find something like "turned me into an alien" in VAERS. I'd bet a beer on it. Please get vaccinated if your doctor approves. Novavax isn't a for-sure deal, as it hasn't been peer reviewed and will be a long time until generally available if found viable.
      - jmnicolas 5y ago
        > There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Didn't you see the wave of cardiac problems in sports? It's much more than a handful, I here about it almost daily.
      - GuB-42 5y ago
        You have pretty large hands... For young men, it is about 1/10000 with the Moderna vaccine. No fatal cases AFAIK, but considering that we are talking about young men who are less likely to get severe covid, it is less than ideal. Benefit/risk is still good, but will it still be the case if we need a new dose every 6 months? Anyways, for that reason, health authorities recommend Pfizer/Biontech over Moderna for people under 30. And it is probably what encouraged the use of half doses of the Moderna vaccine for booster shots.
      - ostenning 5y ago
        > A handful The reality is the statistics are always being revised and they are being revised in the direction that heart inflammation is more prevalent than initially thought. According to the Australian TGA, this rate has been revised to 1/10000 for adolescent boys [1][2]. That is a pretty high value. This continual rise in myocarditis incidence rates indicates to me that nobody really knows how prevalent these side-effects actually are. I stand by my statement. People that did experience heart inflammation should not have to choose between participating in society and being boosted with vaccines that have previously injured them. [1] - https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditis-risk-reaches-1-in-10-000-for-a https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditi... [2] - https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021 https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...
- beervirus 5y ago
  >numerous people The incidence of myocarditis after vaccination is around 2 cases per 100,000. You are lying.
  - dang 5y ago
    You can't attack another user like that, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. More generally: would you please stop posting flamewar and/or unsubstantive comments? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've had to ask you about this more than once before. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- selcuka 5y ago
  What do you suggest as an alternative? This is the current state of the science as far as Covid-19 is concerned. There will most definitely be different types of vaccines with longer lasting immunity [1] and anti-viral drugs [2] in the future but this is the best we have at this time. [1] https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid-vaccine/ https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid... [2] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antiviral-drug-could-mean-for-the-future-of-covid https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antivir...
nahqz 5y ago
That's cool, you can give them as much money as you want. My problem is when it is me giving them the money (directly or through my taxes)

ostenning 5y ago

No its not fine because not everyone reacts well to these vaccines. I know numerous people, including myself, that have had crippling heart inflammation after their second dose. I can apply for an exemption but ultimately that does little for what rights I am afforded. People are being left behind, and its not okay.

nope96 5y ago
And I know people who died from Covid, who'd be alive today if they'd took the vaccine.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  The difference here is no one is forcing you NOT to take the vaccine.
- notch656a 5y ago
  You can't possibly know that.
- ostenning 5y ago
  But I did take the vaccine, twice. It gives me great anxiety to think about taking it again given what I have gone through. My situation improved significantly but I might not be so lucky next time. I shouldnt have to weigh up potential damage to my heart, versus my right to freedom of movement (im an expat). Personally im holding out for Novavax now.
  - junon 5y ago
    There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Remember that VAERS is pretty much the most garbage 'signal' you can possibly get when it comes to side effect reporting as there is pretty much no barrier to entry to get a 'side effect' in there - much less the requirement that you're a medical professional of any sort. It has its uses but saying someone died from the mRNA vaccine because it's in VAERS is like saying someone disappeared because of aliens. In fact, I'm sure you can find something like "turned me into an alien" in VAERS. I'd bet a beer on it. Please get vaccinated if your doctor approves. Novavax isn't a for-sure deal, as it hasn't been peer reviewed and will be a long time until generally available if found viable.
    - jmnicolas 5y ago
      > There have only been a handful of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in mRNA vaccine recipients, generally young males. A handful. And none of them have died from it. Didn't you see the wave of cardiac problems in sports? It's much more than a handful, I here about it almost daily.
    - GuB-42 5y ago
      You have pretty large hands... For young men, it is about 1/10000 with the Moderna vaccine. No fatal cases AFAIK, but considering that we are talking about young men who are less likely to get severe covid, it is less than ideal. Benefit/risk is still good, but will it still be the case if we need a new dose every 6 months? Anyways, for that reason, health authorities recommend Pfizer/Biontech over Moderna for people under 30. And it is probably what encouraged the use of half doses of the Moderna vaccine for booster shots.
    - ostenning 5y ago
      > A handful The reality is the statistics are always being revised and they are being revised in the direction that heart inflammation is more prevalent than initially thought. According to the Australian TGA, this rate has been revised to 1/10000 for adolescent boys [1][2]. That is a pretty high value. This continual rise in myocarditis incidence rates indicates to me that nobody really knows how prevalent these side-effects actually are. I stand by my statement. People that did experience heart inflammation should not have to choose between participating in society and being boosted with vaccines that have previously injured them. [1] - https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditis-risk-reaches-1-in-10-000-for-a https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/vaccine-myocarditi... [2] - https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-02-12-2021 https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safe...
beervirus 5y ago
>numerous people The incidence of myocarditis after vaccination is around 2 cases per 100,000. You are lying.
- dang 5y ago
  You can't attack another user like that, regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. More generally: would you please stop posting flamewar and/or unsubstantive comments? You've been doing it repeatedly and we've had to ask you about this more than once before. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
selcuka 5y ago
What do you suggest as an alternative? This is the current state of the science as far as Covid-19 is concerned. There will most definitely be different types of vaccines with longer lasting immunity [1] and anti-viral drugs [2] in the future but this is the best we have at this time. [1] https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid-vaccine/ https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/emergex-trial-covid... [2] https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antiviral-drug-could-mean-for-the-future-of-covid https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1061902658/what-a-new-antivir...

nahqz 5y ago

That's cool, you can give them as much money as you want. My problem is when it is me giving them the money (directly or through my taxes)