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wow, super happy I don't work with people like this.

by northisup 5y ago

toomuchtodo 5y ago
You wouldn’t know if you did.
- Philip-J-Fry 5y ago
  I would because they'd be more productive than me.
  - OnlineGladiator 5y ago
    They might be more efficient, but by working 1/4 as much they're equally productive!
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      Exactly. You get paid for your output, not your effort. Edit: A deleted reply said “You don't even really get paid for output. Output theatre pays better than output.” Great insight I thought worth persisting.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
  - BatteryMountain 5y ago
    To be honest, I try my best to conceal my gains. I intentionally time my feedback to when it is expected of me.
- remus 5y ago
  You can probably make a good guess though. If you have conversations at work like bob: "hey come and check out this cool thing I made, I think it could save you a load of time" me: "woah, nice one bob, that's amazing! Let's roll this out to the other devs" then you're probably not working with someone like gp.
arbitrage 5y ago
The feeling's mutual, i assure you.
version_five 5y ago
Why would you care? He's not actively harming his coworkers, he's doing what is asked of him work wise, and his colleagues presumably are too - and are themselves getting apparently slack jobs if there is 6hrs per day of easily automated work. Imagine if your coworker told management about an efficiency hack that made you responsible for 4x the output per day. Would you rather work with that person? Personally, I wouldn't want to work at a company that apparently is not incentivizing creativity. I'd rather work somewhere where I knew if I did something like this I'd get more money or career progression or something, not just more work to do. But I certainly don't blame the employee for this
- jayd16 5y ago
  Assuming its not trivial, its hiding a useful tool from your coworkers. Why share any knowledge at all? Why mentor someone if it just gets them more work? Seems pretty toxic to me.
  - mmcgaha 5y ago
    This isn't any different than keeping a bunch of text snippets that you use as a starting point for creating things. Text snippets may seem trivial in comparison to some tool that writes code or checks for your common errors, but when there is a bug in your text snippet, you own the bug. Let's say he gives away his tool and all of a sudden he is the guy who has to work on it when other people have problems. Now his coworkers have more time, he has less, and he is the scapegoat for when things go wrong. Not only that but since it is not a real product of the organization, no one will recognize the time he works on it so he will have to work over time to meet his other goals. Now if someone wants to ask for a copy of what I use, sure but they own their copy and I own mine.
    - jayd16 5y ago
      Sure, there's plenty of reasons to not push every line you've written. However, the stated reason is to keep a "competitive advantage" against their coworkers.

wow, super happy I don't work with people like this.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

You wouldn’t know if you did.

Philip-J-Fry 5y ago
I would because they'd be more productive than me.
- OnlineGladiator 5y ago
  They might be more efficient, but by working 1/4 as much they're equally productive!
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Exactly. You get paid for your output, not your effort. Edit: A deleted reply said “You don't even really get paid for output. Output theatre pays better than output.” Great insight I thought worth persisting.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
- BatteryMountain 5y ago
  To be honest, I try my best to conceal my gains. I intentionally time my feedback to when it is expected of me.
remus 5y ago
You can probably make a good guess though. If you have conversations at work like bob: "hey come and check out this cool thing I made, I think it could save you a load of time" me: "woah, nice one bob, that's amazing! Let's roll this out to the other devs" then you're probably not working with someone like gp.

arbitrage 5y ago

The feeling's mutual, i assure you.

version_five 5y ago

Why would you care? He's not actively harming his coworkers, he's doing what is asked of him work wise, and his colleagues presumably are too - and are themselves getting apparently slack jobs if there is 6hrs per day of easily automated work. Imagine if your coworker told management about an efficiency hack that made you responsible for 4x the output per day. Would you rather work with that person? Personally, I wouldn't want to work at a company that apparently is not incentivizing creativity. I'd rather work somewhere where I knew if I did something like this I'd get more money or career progression or something, not just more work to do. But I certainly don't blame the employee for this

jayd16 5y ago
Assuming its not trivial, its hiding a useful tool from your coworkers. Why share any knowledge at all? Why mentor someone if it just gets them more work? Seems pretty toxic to me.
- mmcgaha 5y ago
  This isn't any different than keeping a bunch of text snippets that you use as a starting point for creating things. Text snippets may seem trivial in comparison to some tool that writes code or checks for your common errors, but when there is a bug in your text snippet, you own the bug. Let's say he gives away his tool and all of a sudden he is the guy who has to work on it when other people have problems. Now his coworkers have more time, he has less, and he is the scapegoat for when things go wrong. Not only that but since it is not a real product of the organization, no one will recognize the time he works on it so he will have to work over time to meet his other goals. Now if someone wants to ask for a copy of what I use, sure but they own their copy and I own mine.
  - jayd16 5y ago
    Sure, there's plenty of reasons to not push every line you've written. However, the stated reason is to keep a "competitive advantage" against their coworkers.