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ineedasername 5y ago
Eh, that's a bit overused and tends to fall into the "slipper slope" fallacy territory a lot of the time it's rolled out. I'm withholding judgement on this one as there seems to be some indication the account was using using sock puppets to make them more popular. If that's true (and it might not be) that would lower the temperature on this ban to a standard TOS violation of a well-known policy.
- mdoms 5y ago
  Ah there it is, the 'slippery slope fallacy' fallacy. Slippery slope arguments are not fundamentally fallacious. There's no such thing as "the slippery slope fallacy". There are slippery slope arguments, some of which are fallacious and many of which are not. Please, stop cargo culting logical fallacies.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  Slippery Slope isn’t a fallacy. It’s literally how things progress from good to worse. Identifying early signs of Stalin’s rise to power would be called Slippery Slope these days. As for twitter, their focus removing on information that is damaging to people in power is concerning. These days private corps wield as much or more power than governments.
  - pixelgeek 5y ago
    I don't think that there is any in Stalin's rise to power[0] that would fit the definition. The post you are responding to also refers specifically to the Slippery Slope Fallacy[1] which is a different beast than just calling something a 'Slippery Slope' [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
    - sieabahlpark 5y ago
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    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      There were many early signs of Stalin’s future misdeeds. Signs if recognized in a climate like today, would be called a slippery slope fallacy. My point is this, don’t turn off critical thinking because something is a so called fallacy.
- md2020 5y ago
  > tends to fall into the "slipper slope" fallacy territory a lot of the time it's rolled out Yeah, and the "that's a 'slippery slope' fallacy" rebuttal is often addressing something that is an actual slippery slope a lot of the time it's rolled out. Pointing out a slippery slope by itself isn't proof that the thing in question isn't real or isn't bad. Slippery slopes are real, and are quite often bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
  - ineedasername 5y ago
    Fair points: there are instances where long term gradual changes tooks small steps each time to reach a point far from the initial step. In this particular case where there might have been (not sure it's been established definitively) a ToS violation then I don't think we're at that that point if there actually was such a violation.
pixelgeek 5y ago
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- danlugo92 5y ago
  Surely Nazis censored some media/newspapers before they were able to come up with the camps.
  - pixelgeek 5y ago
    But that isn't what that 'poem' is about.
  - Natsu 5y ago
    The Nazis had a paramilitary group called the Brownshirts (Sturmabteilung) who would go around physically assaulting anyone saying things they didn't like. Popper's paradox of tolerance invoked the right of self defense against those like them who would with "fists or pistols" silence others. Stuff like this is why the first amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government.
- mdoms 5y ago
  That's not how analogies work. If I say "it's like a sauna in here" I'm not saying "this room is literally like a sauna in every possible way, to the same degree that a sauna is like a sauna".
- dang 5y ago
  Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29485514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29485514.

Eh, that's a bit overused and tends to fall into the "slipper slope" fallacy territory a lot of the time it's rolled out. I'm withholding judgement on this one as there seems to be some indication the account was using using sock puppets to make them more popular. If that's true (and it might not be) that would lower the temperature on this ban to a standard TOS violation of a well-known policy.

mdoms 5y ago
Ah there it is, the 'slippery slope fallacy' fallacy. Slippery slope arguments are not fundamentally fallacious. There's no such thing as "the slippery slope fallacy". There are slippery slope arguments, some of which are fallacious and many of which are not. Please, stop cargo culting logical fallacies.
imwillofficial 5y ago
Slippery Slope isn’t a fallacy. It’s literally how things progress from good to worse. Identifying early signs of Stalin’s rise to power would be called Slippery Slope these days. As for twitter, their focus removing on information that is damaging to people in power is concerning. These days private corps wield as much or more power than governments.
- pixelgeek 5y ago
  I don't think that there is any in Stalin's rise to power[0] that would fit the definition. The post you are responding to also refers specifically to the Slippery Slope Fallacy[1] which is a different beast than just calling something a 'Slippery Slope' [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Consolidation_of... [1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
  - sieabahlpark 5y ago
    [dead]
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    There were many early signs of Stalin’s future misdeeds. Signs if recognized in a climate like today, would be called a slippery slope fallacy. My point is this, don’t turn off critical thinking because something is a so called fallacy.
md2020 5y ago
> tends to fall into the "slipper slope" fallacy territory a lot of the time it's rolled out Yeah, and the "that's a 'slippery slope' fallacy" rebuttal is often addressing something that is an actual slippery slope a lot of the time it's rolled out. Pointing out a slippery slope by itself isn't proof that the thing in question isn't real or isn't bad. Slippery slopes are real, and are quite often bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy
- ineedasername 5y ago
  Fair points: there are instances where long term gradual changes tooks small steps each time to reach a point far from the initial step. In this particular case where there might have been (not sure it's been established definitively) a ToS violation then I don't think we're at that that point if there actually was such a violation.

pixelgeek 5y ago

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danlugo92 5y ago
Surely Nazis censored some media/newspapers before they were able to come up with the camps.
- pixelgeek 5y ago
  But that isn't what that 'poem' is about.
- Natsu 5y ago
  The Nazis had a paramilitary group called the Brownshirts (Sturmabteilung) who would go around physically assaulting anyone saying things they didn't like. Popper's paradox of tolerance invoked the right of self defense against those like them who would with "fists or pistols" silence others. Stuff like this is why the first amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble and petition the government.
mdoms 5y ago
That's not how analogies work. If I say "it's like a sauna in here" I'm not saying "this room is literally like a sauna in every possible way, to the same degree that a sauna is like a sauna".
dang 5y ago
Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 5y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29485514 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29485514.