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> 1. Should we trust the government to spend the money more wisely than the folks who earned it? Or said another way, how do you combat the almost inevitable co
by throw0101a 5y ago
> 1. Should we trust the government to spend the money more wisely than the folks who earned it? Or said another way, how do you combat the almost inevitable corruption you see with large government spending?
The folks that have a lot of money don't spend it. Out of all of Buffett's, Gates', and Bezos' fortunes how much is being spent 'productively' and how much is just sitting around collecting interest on interest. The velocity of money hasn't been doing much in recent decades, which seems to indicate it's just sitting in accounts:
* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V
'Coïncidentally' wealth inequality has been rising in the same time period. Perhaps the link of stagnant money and a lack of activity are linked?
There's plenty of old bridges, dams, locks, transit, airports, etc, that need to be repaired and that money could be used for those upgrades providing good pay jobs.
"Bezos’s ex-wife MacKenzie Scott can’t give her billions away fast enough", and she is worth 'only' US$ 60B (21st richest person):
* https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bezoss-ex-wife-mackenzie-scott-cant-give-her-billions-away-fast-enough-wfk2x6tg7 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bezoss-ex-wife-mackenzie-...
* https://archive.md/ZzeMI https://archive.md/ZzeMI
Further, this is not (or does not have to be) an either-or situation: it's not like all the money goes to the government or stay with the wealthy. If (e.g.) 2-5% of someone's wealth over (say) $10B is taxed annually, they still have 98-95% to do whatever with.
> 2. What will incentivize people to work at insane rates if the vast majority of their income and wealth is taxed?
What motivates someone with $1B to work more? Is it really to make another $10M? Is Bezos working the hours he is because of money? Is Buffett? Musk? I think the people who get to this level work because of of intrinsic motivation rather than extrinsic rewards.
> Would I be willing to put in the long hours and sacrifices usually required to work up to a $1m+ salary if it’s taxed at a 90% rate?
Do you understand how marginal tax brackets work? When someone makes $1M + 1 dollars, the government does not take $900K in this hypothetical 90% margin rate: they take 90¢ of the last $1. The rest of the money is taxed at lower rates:
* https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/7/18171975/tax-bracket-marginal-cartoon-ocasio-cortez-70-percent https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/7/18171975/ta...
And a 70% top tax rate isn't unheard of in the US: it's what it used to be during the 1950s and 1960s, and economic growth was just fine. 70% isn't a bad rate to start looking at:
* https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/4/18168431/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-70-percent https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/4/18168431/al...
And perhaps by having ridiculously high top tax brackets will send a signal to people that instead of send money to the top, perhaps the 'little people' should get some of it too:
* https://www.vox.com/2014/4/18/5620702/case-for-confiscatory-taxation https://www.vox.com/2014/4/18/5620702/case-for-confiscatory-...
- nrdvana 5y ago> The folks that have a lot of money don't spend it. Out of all of Buffett's, Gates', and Bezos' fortunes how much is being spent 'productively' and how much is just sitting around collecting interest on interest. The velocity of money hasn't been doing much in recent decades You seem to indicate they have lots of money, but most of their wealth is assets, much of which is ownership of their own companies. If they "spent" that it would mean selling pieces of the company to someone else, and they would lose power to make the sorts of decisions that made the company successful in the first place. Letting a lot of middle class people's retirement savings managers make all the board decisions for Microsoft is not going to provide the same level of innovation as letting Gates have a large vote. The only reason those stocks have any value at all is because of the size and market position of the company. There is no benefit in letting this form of wealth have "money velocity". Maybe you left Musk off the list on purpose, but what he's "doing with his wealth" is trying to make humans a multi-planet race, and he literally doesn't even care what his company shares are worth to other people. Is it really "money" if he doesn't intend to sell it? His recent sale of lots of Tesla was only because he had options to buy more of the company and immediately sell it. (and now he'll pay a few billion in tax, on that, since it was actually income) Until he did that, all his "wealth" was a mental fiction invented by him and the hard working people in his company. The real money just moved into his account for the first time in a long while, as he drained your retirement account in exchange for the idea that they now have a tiny piece of control over Tesla.
- throw0101a 5y agoPiketty suggested a top 'wealth tax' rate of 2% for valuations over something like US$ 1B: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_in_the_Twenty-First_Ce... Given the general trend of capital growth being higher than economic growth, that would be probably be small amount of shares at any given time, and would take a while before they deplete having large control over their companies.