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Science is not like a religion. Independent people have and can discover the same truth while in religion everyone who invented one, believe in something diffe

by Hekioi 5y ago

Science is not like a religion. Independent people have and can discover the same truth while in religion everyone who invented one, believe in something different. Science is universal. Religion is stupid.

_0w8t 5y ago
Science by definition cannot discover the truth. The essential property of a scientific theory is falsifiability. I.e. it should be possible to carry out experiment that can disprove the theory or it is not a scientific theory. Religion on the other hand can have true statements because they are deduced from a priory axioms that a matter of beliefs. For example, given some axioms about God, one can deduce that the world is such because God is made it so. This will be similar to Banach–Tarski theorem [1] which is true as long as one believes in the Axiom of Choice. But such statements are not a scientific theories precisely because it is not possible to design an experiment that will disproof them. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
- Hekioi 5y ago
  I said the same truth. That should be doable right? Or what would be a better description on what science make unique and better than religion?
  - _0w8t 5y ago
    The science is about making inferences and checking how good such predictions match reality. Religion, on the other hand, can at best explain, not predict in any verifiable way. That is, it is about deducting consequences from one’s beliefs.
    - Hekioi 5y ago
      Religion explains in context of an arbitrary belief system which is independent to reality. It can only explain things inside it's belief system.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        I'm talking about people who make a religion out of science. They can be identified with their chants of "Trust The Science", "You mustn't question The Science", etc. If you haven't encountered this kind of fanatic, consider yourself lucky. These days I'd feel safer drawing a picture of Mohammed than blaspheming The Science by asking heretical questions or making unholy observations. You never know when the secular-inquisition will come for you, but you always expect it.
    - bitcharmer 5y ago
      > Religion, on the other hand, can at best explain... No, religion cannot explain anyrhing reliably as it's based on dogmas and not facts.
      - DiggyJohnson 5y ago
        This is remarkably close minded and I hope someone with more time than me takes the time to respond. In the meantime, I recommend the book The Evolution of Religion by Robert Wright, a very sane author that's written a lot of great books, in my opinion.
        bitcharmer 5y ago
        > This is remarkably close minded No, building a reality based on a dogma is the most close-minded thing you can ever do.
account42 5y ago
The post you replied to did not claim that science was a religion but that blindly following "Science" (read: those that claim to represent science) often is.

by Hekioi 5y ago

_0w8t 5y ago

Science by definition cannot discover the truth. The essential property of a scientific theory is falsifiability. I.e. it should be possible to carry out experiment that can disprove the theory or it is not a scientific theory. Religion on the other hand can have true statements because they are deduced from a priory axioms that a matter of beliefs. For example, given some axioms about God, one can deduce that the world is such because God is made it so. This will be similar to Banach–Tarski theorem [1] which is true as long as one believes in the Axiom of Choice. But such statements are not a scientific theories precisely because it is not possible to design an experiment that will disproof them. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox

Hekioi 5y ago
I said the same truth. That should be doable right? Or what would be a better description on what science make unique and better than religion?
- _0w8t 5y ago
  The science is about making inferences and checking how good such predictions match reality. Religion, on the other hand, can at best explain, not predict in any verifiable way. That is, it is about deducting consequences from one’s beliefs.
  - Hekioi 5y ago
    Religion explains in context of an arbitrary belief system which is independent to reality. It can only explain things inside it's belief system.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      I'm talking about people who make a religion out of science. They can be identified with their chants of "Trust The Science", "You mustn't question The Science", etc. If you haven't encountered this kind of fanatic, consider yourself lucky. These days I'd feel safer drawing a picture of Mohammed than blaspheming The Science by asking heretical questions or making unholy observations. You never know when the secular-inquisition will come for you, but you always expect it.
  - bitcharmer 5y ago
    > Religion, on the other hand, can at best explain... No, religion cannot explain anyrhing reliably as it's based on dogmas and not facts.
    - DiggyJohnson 5y ago
      This is remarkably close minded and I hope someone with more time than me takes the time to respond. In the meantime, I recommend the book The Evolution of Religion by Robert Wright, a very sane author that's written a lot of great books, in my opinion.
      - bitcharmer 5y ago
        > This is remarkably close minded No, building a reality based on a dogma is the most close-minded thing you can ever do.

account42 5y ago

The post you replied to did not claim that science was a religion but that blindly following "Science" (read: those that claim to represent science) often is.