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Insisting on metrics does not make you more rational, it just makes you more obnoxious. Not every insight requires quantitative metrics to be useful or trustwo

by hnbad 5y ago

Insisting on metrics does not make you more rational, it just makes you more obnoxious. Not every insight requires quantitative metrics to be useful or trustworthy and not every insight based on quantitative metrics is correct or superior: https://mcnamarafallacy.com/ https://mcnamarafallacy.com/

pphysch 5y ago
> Those who are concerned about falling into the trap of the McNamara Fallacy shouldn’t abandon quantitative measurements and metrics. Quantification is a valuable analytic tool, when it’s applied properly.
- zepto 5y ago
  “…when it’s applied properly.”
  - pphysch 5y ago
    Are you going to make that argument?
    - zepto 5y ago
      I don’t need to. You are the one who quoted it without justification. Feel free to justify yourself. Of course by now we can see multiple people in the comments who think you aren’t applying it properly. As far as I can see you are just using a call for metrics as a lazy dismissal.
      - pphysch 5y ago
        Lol. Get a grip. Your behavior in this thread is the definition of "grasping at straws" to avoid substantiating your claims.
        zepto 5y ago
        “Insisting on metrics does not make you more rational, it just makes you more obnoxious.” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29483200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29483200 This is a discussion forum. You know - where people discuss things. Not everything is a ‘claim’ that has to be ‘substantiated’. Haranguing someone in this way is not what the site is about. Again, read the thread. Nobody is supporting your behavior. Here are some pointers from the site guidelines which may explain why: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by hnbad 5y ago

pphysch 5y ago

> Those who are concerned about falling into the trap of the McNamara Fallacy shouldn’t abandon quantitative measurements and metrics. Quantification is a valuable analytic tool, when it’s applied properly.

zepto 5y ago
“…when it’s applied properly.”
- pphysch 5y ago
  Are you going to make that argument?
  - zepto 5y ago
    I don’t need to. You are the one who quoted it without justification. Feel free to justify yourself. Of course by now we can see multiple people in the comments who think you aren’t applying it properly. As far as I can see you are just using a call for metrics as a lazy dismissal.
    - pphysch 5y ago
      Lol. Get a grip. Your behavior in this thread is the definition of "grasping at straws" to avoid substantiating your claims.
      - zepto 5y ago
        “Insisting on metrics does not make you more rational, it just makes you more obnoxious.” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29483200 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29483200 This is a discussion forum. You know - where people discuss things. Not everything is a ‘claim’ that has to be ‘substantiated’. Haranguing someone in this way is not what the site is about. Again, read the thread. Nobody is supporting your behavior. Here are some pointers from the site guidelines which may explain why: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html