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Yes, both Gmail and Calendar are impacted. You can still access your calendar via https://calendar.google.com/u/0/embed?mode=week https://calendar.google.com/u

Yes, both Gmail and Calendar are impacted. You can still access your calendar via https://calendar.google.com/u/0/embed?mode=week https://calendar.google.com/u/0/embed?mode=week This brings back the old UI (Google Agenda times). I'm amazed by how little that page downloads. I'm getting less than 1MB here. Gmail downloads 20MB to display my inbox.

YetAnotherNick 5y ago
Have you recently cleared your cache? For me gmail transfers 1.5 MB before displaying inbox and loading 40MB resources from cache. I am using default gmail config and latest chrome. I have 10s of thousands messages in inbox.
- _trackno5 5y ago
  That might be it. But isn't it still nuts it loads such a huge amount of resources? 40MB is even worse
asddubs 5y ago
I've used html-mode gmail since way back when. it's really nice, fast and simple. Unfortunately at some point several months ago, google stopped respecting having set html mode as default. the only way to get it now is to append "/h" at the end of the gmail link manually (or click the "use html mode" button while it loads, but that usually leads to it registering the click just as it finished loading, trashing a random email because the trash button is in the same location of the screen) it's genuinely so frustrating, especially because if you use the html-link and then have to log in, it sends you back to javascript gmail again. I think this might actually be the thing that'll get me to switch from gmail, which I've been too lazy to do, but meaning to do for ages now the worst part I think is that you can't middle click to open new tabs. I don't know if it's just me, but I constantly find myself wanting to cross reference two things that require multiple tabs, and SPAs never let you open anything in a new tab (even though they could if they bothered to implement it).
- _trackno5 5y ago
  Ah that's a pity :( I got excited by the first sentence. Wish they had kept it around.
  - asddubs 5y ago
    well, it still is around, it's just a hassle to get to these days, rather than loading automatically for those who opted into it. I doubt they even broke it on purpose, it's just one of those things that no one at google cares about, so it gets broken by something and no one notices or cares, and it'll never ever get fixed, because it's not like you can notify anyone at google who would care or have power to do anything.
- alias_neo 5y ago
  I found a similarly great UI pattern the other day when leading a conference call. I clicked to toggle the attendee list, only to find that when I clicked a second time to hide it again, the controls had moved across so my mouse was over the hang-up button. Joy.
- depressedpanda 5y ago
  > SPAs never let you open anything in a new tab (even though they could if they bothered to implement it). There's really nothing special about SPAs that prevent opening new tabs with middle click. All they need to do is use a href element instead of, e.g., a span with a click handler. For some inexplicable reason, gmail has opted for the latter even though most click targets update the url and navigate the user somewhere. It just seems lazy to me.
  - kevincox 5y ago
    Of course for GMail that would result in taking 30s to load the email. If it wanted to have reasonable performance for opening the message in a new tab they would need to do some magic to transfer just the state required.
  - edoceo 5y ago
    It's like everyone using these bloated JS front ends has forgotten that. Google, Reddit, Wells Fargo, Gusto, Twitter. They are actively breaking the built in browser features.
GordonS 5y ago
20MB?! Is any of that your email contents, or is it literally all JS and CSS?
- _trackno5 5y ago
  Just JS, CSS, font, and images for icons and avatars. AFAICT it's not as if it's downloading attachments ahead of time or anything.

YetAnotherNick 5y ago

Have you recently cleared your cache? For me gmail transfers 1.5 MB before displaying inbox and loading 40MB resources from cache. I am using default gmail config and latest chrome. I have 10s of thousands messages in inbox.

_trackno5 5y ago
That might be it. But isn't it still nuts it loads such a huge amount of resources? 40MB is even worse

asddubs 5y ago

I've used html-mode gmail since way back when. it's really nice, fast and simple. Unfortunately at some point several months ago, google stopped respecting having set html mode as default. the only way to get it now is to append "/h" at the end of the gmail link manually (or click the "use html mode" button while it loads, but that usually leads to it registering the click just as it finished loading, trashing a random email because the trash button is in the same location of the screen) it's genuinely so frustrating, especially because if you use the html-link and then have to log in, it sends you back to javascript gmail again. I think this might actually be the thing that'll get me to switch from gmail, which I've been too lazy to do, but meaning to do for ages now the worst part I think is that you can't middle click to open new tabs. I don't know if it's just me, but I constantly find myself wanting to cross reference two things that require multiple tabs, and SPAs never let you open anything in a new tab (even though they could if they bothered to implement it).

_trackno5 5y ago
Ah that's a pity :( I got excited by the first sentence. Wish they had kept it around.
- asddubs 5y ago
  well, it still is around, it's just a hassle to get to these days, rather than loading automatically for those who opted into it. I doubt they even broke it on purpose, it's just one of those things that no one at google cares about, so it gets broken by something and no one notices or cares, and it'll never ever get fixed, because it's not like you can notify anyone at google who would care or have power to do anything.
alias_neo 5y ago
I found a similarly great UI pattern the other day when leading a conference call. I clicked to toggle the attendee list, only to find that when I clicked a second time to hide it again, the controls had moved across so my mouse was over the hang-up button. Joy.
depressedpanda 5y ago
> SPAs never let you open anything in a new tab (even though they could if they bothered to implement it). There's really nothing special about SPAs that prevent opening new tabs with middle click. All they need to do is use a href element instead of, e.g., a span with a click handler. For some inexplicable reason, gmail has opted for the latter even though most click targets update the url and navigate the user somewhere. It just seems lazy to me.
- kevincox 5y ago
  Of course for GMail that would result in taking 30s to load the email. If it wanted to have reasonable performance for opening the message in a new tab they would need to do some magic to transfer just the state required.
- edoceo 5y ago
  It's like everyone using these bloated JS front ends has forgotten that. Google, Reddit, Wells Fargo, Gusto, Twitter. They are actively breaking the built in browser features.

GordonS 5y ago

20MB?! Is any of that your email contents, or is it literally all JS and CSS?

_trackno5 5y ago
Just JS, CSS, font, and images for icons and avatars. AFAICT it's not as if it's downloading attachments ahead of time or anything.