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"Therefore it would be necessary to carry on colonization against the will of the Palestinian Arabs,...Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must eith

by sndman 5y ago

"Therefore it would be necessary to carry on colonization against the will of the Palestinian Arabs,...Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population – an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy." --Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, (We and the Arabs) (1923)

joelbluminator 5y ago
Point being? There are problematic quotes from some Zionist leaders. There are actual Nazi quotes from Palestinian leaders. The Palestinian Mufti was a known Nazi supporter and had close relations with the Nazi leadership (including visits to concentration camps etc). Even the current PA leader Abbas, who is considered a moderate, wrote a PHD which basically denies or mitigates the holocaust. While some aspects of Zionism were indeed troubling in today's standards, when push came to shove the Zionist leadership accepted partition to two states (in 1947). How does quoting Jabotinsky from a century ago help us in solving this conflict? Unless your only point is that current Israel should be dismanteld.
- sndman 5y ago
  The quote speaks for itself, no?
  - joelbluminator 5y ago
    Yeah...no we are definitely talking past each other. good night!
- sndman 5y ago
  'The Arabs will have to go but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war." --Ben-Gurion's Diary,12July1937,and in New Judea, August-September 1937, p.220. "I am for compulsory transfer; I do not see anything immoral in it." --David Ben-Gurion to the Jewish Agency Executive, June 1938 ''The cultivated land is probably 1 million dunam. According to international law, we cannot sell anything, so maybe we should buy from those Arabs who do not want to come back.... All we need is 400 tractors, each tractor can cultivate 3000 dunam - cultivating not just for the purpose of procuring food but in order to prevent anyone from returning to their lands. Land of lesser quality should be sold to private or public sectors....At least, let us say that this confiscation is an exchange for the property the Jews from the Arab world lost when they immigrated to Palestine." --Bechor Shitrit, head of the settlement department of the Jewish National Fund, Ben-Gurion's Diary, 18 August 1948.
- sndman 5y ago
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joelbluminator 5y ago

Point being? There are problematic quotes from some Zionist leaders. There are actual Nazi quotes from Palestinian leaders. The Palestinian Mufti was a known Nazi supporter and had close relations with the Nazi leadership (including visits to concentration camps etc). Even the current PA leader Abbas, who is considered a moderate, wrote a PHD which basically denies or mitigates the holocaust. While some aspects of Zionism were indeed troubling in today's standards, when push came to shove the Zionist leadership accepted partition to two states (in 1947). How does quoting Jabotinsky from a century ago help us in solving this conflict? Unless your only point is that current Israel should be dismanteld.

sndman 5y ago
The quote speaks for itself, no?
- joelbluminator 5y ago
  Yeah...no we are definitely talking past each other. good night!
sndman 5y ago
'The Arabs will have to go but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war." --Ben-Gurion's Diary,12July1937,and in New Judea, August-September 1937, p.220. "I am for compulsory transfer; I do not see anything immoral in it." --David Ben-Gurion to the Jewish Agency Executive, June 1938 ''The cultivated land is probably 1 million dunam. According to international law, we cannot sell anything, so maybe we should buy from those Arabs who do not want to come back.... All we need is 400 tractors, each tractor can cultivate 3000 dunam - cultivating not just for the purpose of procuring food but in order to prevent anyone from returning to their lands. Land of lesser quality should be sold to private or public sectors....At least, let us say that this confiscation is an exchange for the property the Jews from the Arab world lost when they immigrated to Palestine." --Bechor Shitrit, head of the settlement department of the Jewish National Fund, Ben-Gurion's Diary, 18 August 1948.
sndman 5y ago
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