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This is precisely why immigration is really important. Need to replace fat, lazy, satisfied natives with immigrants hungry for a slice of their pie. It's the o

This is precisely why immigration is really important. Need to replace fat, lazy, satisfied natives with immigrants hungry for a slice of their pie. It's the only way US can stay afloat. Easy immigration, especially for skilled workers, and maintaining the American dream where a hard worker in a well paying industry will, in fact, live far better than in any other country. This is also why I personally find the socialistic tendencies of US youth to be so naive. I hope this trend doesn't stick.

_kbh_ 5y ago
how is an American in a well paying industry better off then in any other first world country?.
dkdk8283 5y ago
Giving away wealth isn’t a viable long term strategy either, people will come and take everything they can and disrespect the USA while doing so. The post you replied to is spot on.
altacc 5y ago
" the American dream where a hard worker in a well paying industry will, in fact, live far better than in any other country." Why should a decent standard of living only apply to those working in a well paying industry? Shouldn't all industries be well paying, at least to the point of people being able to afford to live? Countries need a variety of industries, skills and jobs to function. If you work hard you should be able to live well, regardless of industry. But in many countries, including the US, working hard & long hours can still leave you on the breadline and choosing between heating your home or fueling your car. The US has huge income disparity and there is a total lack of respect for many employees. This is what people are getting sick of and realising there are other options. There are multitudes of people living in other countries, doing the same jobs as millions of Americans, living much better than their US counterparts and many of those are immigrants. The US is not competitive for immigrants, it can't even provide all its citizens with the adequate jobs they want. Even removing small countries and the effects refugee crises, there are many countries with higher per capita immigration than the US. I am in no ways opposed to migration, being a migrant & product of migrants myself, but what the US needs most is decent working conditions, rights & pay. Not only does this solve the employment problem, a higher quality of life leads to improvements in many areas across society, from increased education to lower crime and happier people.
- subpixel 5y ago
  > There are multitudes of people living in other countries, doing the same jobs as millions of Americans, living much better than their US counterparts. America/American is a religion for many, and its believers won’t be swayed by factual arguments. Some outrageous percentage of Gen Z Americans believe they will be crypto—wealthy soon. Just like their parents and grandparents held onto the hope that they’d become millionaires one way or another. When your foundational principle is a sort of wealth faith, you can overlook the positive societal outcomes in other countries. Because they are not a function of personal wealth, they are inauspicious.
- batshit_beaver 5y ago
  But that's what US has over other countries - the promise of a dream. The idea goes is that if you work/study hard, you'll be wealthier than elsewhere. This doesn't have to be 100% true for everyone, there's already an understanding that some luck will be needed. But it's POSSIBLE to have a significantly higher QOL in the US than in most other civilized countries without resorting to illegal means. If US evens out the playing field, why would a high skilled worker want to emigrate to the US vs New Zealand, Australia, or any of the awesome Northern European countries? You can argue that societal changes would be good for everyone. And this is true on paper, but actually you end up with a more even country that is still very split politically, has relatively high crime rates, healthcare woes, legal guns, etc etc. If the main thing keeping US desirable is the elusive American dream, then I don't think it's wise to mess with this dream. Unfortunately, wealth redistribution is a sure way to fuck this dream up through a variety of side effects.

_kbh_ 5y ago

how is an American in a well paying industry better off then in any other first world country?.

dkdk8283 5y ago

Giving away wealth isn’t a viable long term strategy either, people will come and take everything they can and disrespect the USA while doing so. The post you replied to is spot on.

altacc 5y ago

" the American dream where a hard worker in a well paying industry will, in fact, live far better than in any other country." Why should a decent standard of living only apply to those working in a well paying industry? Shouldn't all industries be well paying, at least to the point of people being able to afford to live? Countries need a variety of industries, skills and jobs to function. If you work hard you should be able to live well, regardless of industry. But in many countries, including the US, working hard & long hours can still leave you on the breadline and choosing between heating your home or fueling your car. The US has huge income disparity and there is a total lack of respect for many employees. This is what people are getting sick of and realising there are other options. There are multitudes of people living in other countries, doing the same jobs as millions of Americans, living much better than their US counterparts and many of those are immigrants. The US is not competitive for immigrants, it can't even provide all its citizens with the adequate jobs they want. Even removing small countries and the effects refugee crises, there are many countries with higher per capita immigration than the US. I am in no ways opposed to migration, being a migrant & product of migrants myself, but what the US needs most is decent working conditions, rights & pay. Not only does this solve the employment problem, a higher quality of life leads to improvements in many areas across society, from increased education to lower crime and happier people.

subpixel 5y ago
> There are multitudes of people living in other countries, doing the same jobs as millions of Americans, living much better than their US counterparts. America/American is a religion for many, and its believers won’t be swayed by factual arguments. Some outrageous percentage of Gen Z Americans believe they will be crypto—wealthy soon. Just like their parents and grandparents held onto the hope that they’d become millionaires one way or another. When your foundational principle is a sort of wealth faith, you can overlook the positive societal outcomes in other countries. Because they are not a function of personal wealth, they are inauspicious.
batshit_beaver 5y ago
But that's what US has over other countries - the promise of a dream. The idea goes is that if you work/study hard, you'll be wealthier than elsewhere. This doesn't have to be 100% true for everyone, there's already an understanding that some luck will be needed. But it's POSSIBLE to have a significantly higher QOL in the US than in most other civilized countries without resorting to illegal means. If US evens out the playing field, why would a high skilled worker want to emigrate to the US vs New Zealand, Australia, or any of the awesome Northern European countries? You can argue that societal changes would be good for everyone. And this is true on paper, but actually you end up with a more even country that is still very split politically, has relatively high crime rates, healthcare woes, legal guns, etc etc. If the main thing keeping US desirable is the elusive American dream, then I don't think it's wise to mess with this dream. Unfortunately, wealth redistribution is a sure way to fuck this dream up through a variety of side effects.