That’s a profoundly unsatisfying answer. I really am interested in who you consider to be a part of the discussion. If qualia are not phenomena, how can we talk

That’s a profoundly unsatisfying answer. I really am interested in who you consider to be a part of the discussion. If qualia are not phenomena, how can we talk about them besides in the hypothetical, since conversations are phenomena? If someone claims to not experience qualia, why would you take that claim any more or less seriously than the claim that someone does experience qualia, or the claim that qualia exist at all? …or is it possible that qualia are phenomenological?