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Kind of a sword vs shield thing as most things in the military. There are sonar decoys. They aren't easy. You also have to have it rigged ready to go with ve
by virtue3 5y ago
Kind of a sword vs shield thing as most things in the military.
There are sonar decoys. They aren't easy.
You also have to have it rigged ready to go with very little notice.
The other aspect is that these torpedoes can still be wired to the ship so you can continue to use the host sub's arguably better passive sonar systems and let the attacking torpedo get VERY close.
As with all things in submersible conflict the first person to be heard is dead.
The other aspect of your decoy system that you might not be thinking about is that you've
a) compromised the hull with holes
b) you are going to make a LOT of noise firing those off
c) your sonar signature might go up dramatically when the doors are opened etc.
The hull actually has something similar to stealth coating (but for sonar, so easier to develop cuz it's against sound waves) on the hull. You really don't want to mess with it too much.
Sub warfare is insane. There isn't really a strong counter to them in the open ocean. USN Carrier groups are especially vulnerable (at least from exercises I've read about).
Your idea isn't bad. Just make it a towed array that pops off a bunch of really loud shit 1000m behind you or something.
This would eventually turn into a cat/mouse game of who can make a better system for detecting decoys vs fooling torpedoes.
If you read up on china's new hypersonic missile system you can get a feeling for why this shit is terrifying sometimes. Fractional Orbital Bombardment System is new and very scary for the USA missile defense systems. They effectively shrink the "we can see it range" down to a very small amount of time to respond. Combine that with MIRV warheads and decoys and it's a nightmare.
- gattr 5y agoAh, good point about the structural issue. But as for giving your position away, I meant it to be the last resort, when you're detected and under attack already.
- Eelongate 5y ago> The other aspect is that these torpedoes can still be wired to the ship so you can continue to use the host sub's arguably better passive sonar systems and let the attacking torpedo get VERY close. I don't know if there is any public data about how long the guidance wires are, but tens of kilometers seems like a pretty safe bet. Classic wire-guided TOW missiles have 3+ km of wire and are much smaller than a Mk-48 (about 6" diameter, vs 21")
- scarier 5y ago>Fractional Orbital Bombardment System is new and very scary for the USA missile defense systems. It's actually a fairly old technology as these things go, developed in the '60s and deprecated in the '80s. My understanding of HGWs that are currently being developed/fielded is that their potential FOBS aspect isn't what's scary--it's that they're more maneuverable than MARVs on traditional ballistic missiles and may be able to evade many currently fielded ABM systems. That said, submarine warfare is indeed insane.