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10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also
by seritools 5y ago
10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it:
- It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course)
- THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad
- the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it looks choppy
- the animation has to "catch up" when grabbing the scroll bar handle and moving it quickly
- 215k lines loaded, moving the window itself is choppy now? HOW
- another first party piece of software that ignores the "no animations" setting in windows
- I've grabbed a notepad.exe from Windows XP SP3 in comparison, no problems there, scrolling and editing is instant. Both have SIGNIFICANT lag in the new one.
- Don't even try to resize the window with a big file open (< 1 FPS)
EDIT: Note that I haven't even complained about new features or anything, just the previous, basic features still working correctly.
- bathtub365 5y agoDid they end up hiring back QA or have they stuck to their strategy of customers and analytics being QA?
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- d23 5y agoI still use notepad to try to avoid all the crap software tries to cram down my throat these days. Sad to see they've managed to mess with this too. I wonder how long it'll be before tracking and dark patterns are shoved into this notepad version (if it hasn't happened already).
- ripdog 5y agoThe only way to avoid dark patterns in software these days is to use Linux.
- garbagecoder 5y agoPlease tell me you forgot to add /s
- ripdog 5y agoWindows is stuffed full of anti-patterns. You can't avoid them just by using notepad.
- ComputerGuru 5y agoYes, but modern Gnome 3 and KDE Plasma have also similarly regressed.
- garbagecoder 5y agoWindows is garbage. I’m not disagreeing with that part, butdesktop Linux is hot garbage too. The audio stack is garbage. X is decades old and Wyland is a meme.
- boogies 5y ago> X is decades old As are HN (1.something decades) and Notepad.exes that aren’t as hot garbage as the newest one. X still works fine and IME is only improved by the new things (eg. sxmo, the smartphone UI I’m typing this in) still being built on its well settled, stable foundation.
- ripdog 5y agoUh, okay. We're talking about dark patterns, which are anti-consumer and anti-user design decisions to pursue profit over user experience. Like stuffing candy crush into windows by default or making it incredibly difficult to switch default browser, or berating the user with popups when he tries to download Firefox.
- chungy 5y ago> HEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS That's always the first feature I turn off if I start a clean web browser profile. I'm not even sure why "smooth" scrolling is a thing...
- hulitu 5y agoI had to turn it on because Edge cannot render a normal HTML file without it (Slackware linux changelog). Is is just sad.
- garaetjjte 5y agoI like smooth scrolling in browsers. Easier to track things with eyes. (though OP complains about "when grabbing the scroll bar handle", which sounds horrible)
- seritools 5y agoFor the record, I also dislike smooth scrolling in the Start menu, settings app etc. With Edge, they lowered the animation speed from baseline Chromium to match that I think. In Chrome it's nice at high refresh rates and looks buttery smooth, but at 60Hz it's too choppy so I turn it off there. It seems that the Edge devs have opted for a slower (=smoother) animation, optimized for 60Hz screens, whereas Chrome has opted for more responsiveness. (giving the user the ability to tweak the scroll animation speed would be too much to ask I guess) (disabling smooth scrolling with the "disable animations" setting in Windows is too much to ask as well I guess)
- tech234a 5y agoThere are flags for this. There is a flag to toggle “Microsoft Edge scrolling personality” in Edge and there is a flag to toggle smooth scrolling overall.
- seritools 5y agoI am aware of these, yeah - "Microsoft Edge scrolling personality" is only for touch scrolling gestures as far as I can tell, it doesn't affect scroll wheel scrolling for me. I've disabled smooth scrolling in Edge because of this, yes.
- xeeeeeeeeeeenu 5y agoThe problem is that Microsoft is still pretending that UWP/WinUI isn't a complete mistake. All those issues are inherent to that technology.
- Tempest1981 5y agoDoesn't UWP/WinUI render using DirectX? What makes it so slow?
- kymaz 5y agoI'd like to know this too-- my music player has a few different rendering options for one on screen view, GDI has always used fewer gpu and cpu resources than direct2d and direct3d in 7 and 10 so far?
- thrower123 5y agoWhen I tried to do some Direct2D a few years ago it was a disastrous API and far slower than old GDI. The "Disable hardware acceleration" setting, when present, still frequently makes all sorts of desktop software run faster and less buggy.
- rasz 5y agoPrevailing reason for the speed of ms code: >I believe what you’re doing is describing something that might be considered an entire doctoral research project in performant terminal emulation as “extremely simple” somewhat combatively. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362 https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362
- tpxl 5y agoDidn't someone then implement a terminal emulator with colors, unicode support, fonts etc and it wasn't a doctoral research project?
- Tempest1981 5y agoSo rendering glyphs (with textures?) is slow, vs GDI. And I guess DirectDraw lacks a fast API to do colored text?
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- userbinator 5y agoThat sounds disturbingly similar to what they did to the Calculator in Windows 10. I'm curious what the difference in binary size is between the two, and with the one in Windows 10 (which does have some enhancements compared to previous versions, but the same good old UI.)
- hulitu 5y agoBut they forgot to include "Clippy". Looks like you are writting a letter...
- tasogare 5y agoAlways the same crap with MS redesigns those days (like the Terminal one): there is fancy useless shit like Dark Theme but the basics like a functional IME are broken. What the point of a text editor if it well, can't input text?
- thedougd 5y agoDoes it append .txt when you don't want it to? `Notepad config.rc` ends up saving as config.rc.txt?