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>The problem is when people use the law to force their own preference on others So we're in agreement, then? zoning should stay the way it is now?

cheriot 5y ago
No, zoning laws are forcing your preferences on other people. They need to be significantly relaxed if not removed entirely. How about everyone can build the type of house they want on their own land.
- uberman 5y ago
  Can I put a toxic waste dump on my property next to yours then? How about an incinerator, or an open pit mine? I mean if zoning laws should be removed and I can do whatever I want with my property?
  - cheriot 5y ago
    That's the argument people fall back on to defend zoning: we have to separate industrial use from where people live! It does not follow that we need to regulate the number of kitchens and locations of doors in a house. Because kitchens and doors are often the only difference between a oneplex, duplex, triplex, and fourplex.
    - uberman 5y ago
      You literally just said zoning laws should be removed entirely in your prior post.
      - cheriot 5y ago
        It's a conversation about residential zones. The point of zoning should be to channel market demand not suppress it, but the current state of America makes me question if that's possible. Perhaps a system where price per square foot going over a threshold triggers an automatic upzoning. There's a whole spectrum of housing for America to rediscover: https://missingmiddlehousing.com/ https://missingmiddlehousing.com/
- jerkstate 5y ago
  If you want to build your own green-field utopia, go right ahead and make whatever zoning laws you like. But insisting that ESTABLISHED low-density areas must CHANGE become more dense, and then justify it with "but YOU are forcing YOUR ideals on ME" is absurd and either naive or disingenuous.
  - cheriot 5y ago
    Those municipalities chose to change when they zone for and permit more offices. The need for more housing is the other shoe dropping.

cheriot 5y ago

No, zoning laws are forcing your preferences on other people. They need to be significantly relaxed if not removed entirely. How about everyone can build the type of house they want on their own land.

uberman 5y ago
Can I put a toxic waste dump on my property next to yours then? How about an incinerator, or an open pit mine? I mean if zoning laws should be removed and I can do whatever I want with my property?
- cheriot 5y ago
  That's the argument people fall back on to defend zoning: we have to separate industrial use from where people live! It does not follow that we need to regulate the number of kitchens and locations of doors in a house. Because kitchens and doors are often the only difference between a oneplex, duplex, triplex, and fourplex.
  - uberman 5y ago
    You literally just said zoning laws should be removed entirely in your prior post.
    - cheriot 5y ago
      It's a conversation about residential zones. The point of zoning should be to channel market demand not suppress it, but the current state of America makes me question if that's possible. Perhaps a system where price per square foot going over a threshold triggers an automatic upzoning. There's a whole spectrum of housing for America to rediscover: https://missingmiddlehousing.com/ https://missingmiddlehousing.com/
jerkstate 5y ago
If you want to build your own green-field utopia, go right ahead and make whatever zoning laws you like. But insisting that ESTABLISHED low-density areas must CHANGE become more dense, and then justify it with "but YOU are forcing YOUR ideals on ME" is absurd and either naive or disingenuous.
- cheriot 5y ago
  Those municipalities chose to change when they zone for and permit more offices. The need for more housing is the other shoe dropping.