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> I'm opposed to high density housing as well, for myself, personally. That's why I don't live in a city. Sometimes the city comes to you. That's what's happen

> I'm opposed to high density housing as well, for myself, personally. That's why I don't live in a city. Sometimes the city comes to you. That's what's happening all over, where people are in suburbs outside the city, but the city grows and suddenly they learn that where they live isn't considered the outskirts anymore, and everyone's pissed that they oppose high density housing.

betwixthewires 5y ago
The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. They even considered this a benefit when they decided that as the population rose their property value would go up. They considered the state of affairs they're complaining about to be a good investment decision. The suburbs are never truly outside the city, this is an illusion, and everyone knows it, and they knew it going in, they're just pretending they're getting the short end of the stick here.
- WkndTriathlete 5y ago
  > The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. In every place except for a handful of cities on the West Coast this is still true. If I had moved to San Francisco or San Jose in 1980 to live in a nice single-family neighborhood setting, there is no way that anyone could have predicted just how many people would have moved to Silicon Valley in the next 40 years. If I had moved to Minneapolis, or Kansas City, or Austin, TX in 1980, I would still (most likely) be in that single-family neighborhood and not having to worry about developers wanting to put up a boatload of high-rises around me.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > If I had moved to San Francisco or San Jose in 1980 to live in a nice single-family neighborhood setting, there is no way that anyone could have predicted just how many people would have moved to Silicon Valley in the next 40 years. Well, thanks to restrictive zoning, they probably could have, in net if not in gross; there's a reason that while lots of money has moved into Silicon Valley, it (San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties combined) have seen less growth since 1980 than the East Bay, absolutely and relatively.
- stronglikedan 5y ago
  > The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. That's not always true either. I moved as far away from the city as I could, while still remaining close to my job, friends, and family. I chose my particular, because they already had zoning laws against high-density housing on the books. One of those was, no buildings over 6 stories. Now all of a sudden, they're allowing buildings up to 36 stories, and I get to have one overlooking my back yard. This isn't what I signed up for.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    > while still remaining close to my job, friends, and family. So you stayed in proximity to enjoy the benefits? I'm not downplaying it BTW, I've been in that situation before. It's a little different when you're from a city, and it's more than just exotic food at midnight. I'm from a city too, that's where my life was, that's where my family is. I have experienced first hand my little suburb becoming an urban-clinging-onto-suburban-delusion hellscape. Still though, we stayed in proximity and expected the world to stagnate for us. I realized that's not going to happen and I left. The city will grow, and like it or not you never left it, you just avoided the trade off for a while.

betwixthewires 5y ago

The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. They even considered this a benefit when they decided that as the population rose their property value would go up. They considered the state of affairs they're complaining about to be a good investment decision. The suburbs are never truly outside the city, this is an illusion, and everyone knows it, and they knew it going in, they're just pretending they're getting the short end of the stick here.

WkndTriathlete 5y ago
> The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. In every place except for a handful of cities on the West Coast this is still true. If I had moved to San Francisco or San Jose in 1980 to live in a nice single-family neighborhood setting, there is no way that anyone could have predicted just how many people would have moved to Silicon Valley in the next 40 years. If I had moved to Minneapolis, or Kansas City, or Austin, TX in 1980, I would still (most likely) be in that single-family neighborhood and not having to worry about developers wanting to put up a boatload of high-rises around me.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > If I had moved to San Francisco or San Jose in 1980 to live in a nice single-family neighborhood setting, there is no way that anyone could have predicted just how many people would have moved to Silicon Valley in the next 40 years. Well, thanks to restrictive zoning, they probably could have, in net if not in gross; there's a reason that while lots of money has moved into Silicon Valley, it (San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties combined) have seen less growth since 1980 than the East Bay, absolutely and relatively.
stronglikedan 5y ago
> The city didn't come to them. They chose to live in close proximity to enjoy it's benefits thinking they could avoid the trade off entirely, forever. That's not always true either. I moved as far away from the city as I could, while still remaining close to my job, friends, and family. I chose my particular, because they already had zoning laws against high-density housing on the books. One of those was, no buildings over 6 stories. Now all of a sudden, they're allowing buildings up to 36 stories, and I get to have one overlooking my back yard. This isn't what I signed up for.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  > while still remaining close to my job, friends, and family. So you stayed in proximity to enjoy the benefits? I'm not downplaying it BTW, I've been in that situation before. It's a little different when you're from a city, and it's more than just exotic food at midnight. I'm from a city too, that's where my life was, that's where my family is. I have experienced first hand my little suburb becoming an urban-clinging-onto-suburban-delusion hellscape. Still though, we stayed in proximity and expected the world to stagnate for us. I realized that's not going to happen and I left. The city will grow, and like it or not you never left it, you just avoided the trade off for a while.