Sure, and those suburbs are for people that want the benefits of the city and are willing to pay a premium for less of the downsides, and also create more traff

Sure, and those suburbs are for people that want the benefits of the city and are willing to pay a premium for less of the downsides, and also create more traffic for themselves to sit in. They've made a trade off as well, they live a little more densely packed than I do, but a little less than true urban dwellers, and their commute is longer, property maintenance is higher, living cost is usually a little more, they rely on a car. Personally not worth it to me, so I don't choose to live there either.